A question to Requiel

[echekiel]

I saw an old post here (was a single post so couldnt argue on it)
here it is:
"29th July 2004, 02:27 PM :

I am the GM who dealt with this case.
For the usual reasons I'm not going to comment on the specifics.

All I will say is that the use of 3rd party programs will get your account terminated instantly.

No warnings. No 'slaps on the wrist'.

Use of the ingame /macro command is not use of a 3rd party program and is not therefore infringing.

The only other thing that I will say is that we use multiple different means to detect afk crafting and not merely server logs. We don't terminate an account unless we are 100% sure that an offence is being committed.

I will not tolerate any cheating on my servers."

Quote from DAoC news :

"
A point about the account suspensions
Father Christmas has arrived in the realms, but Mister Bogeyman was already there since a few weeks and has suspended the accounts of the players who forgot to behave well. So on Wednesday the cheaters have learned of their two weeks suspension. That will be a nice gift for the other players who will be able to enjoy the game serenely during the Christmas holidays. We did not wait deliberately for Christmas to notify these suspensions in order to spoil the holidays of those who spoiled the game of the other players, but the coincidence is not that bad.
In the same manner, we did not want to inform players that we were running these anti-cheat programs. It was not that we wanted to play an underhand trick on cheaters but we wanted to measure their activity. Those people were not that numerous but used to cheat with several characters. So you will not see them for 15 days since they will take last minute holidays…
The smartest knew that a detection tool might have been installed with New Frontiers and some of the cheaters may have stopped to use third tool party programs since November. Today those who doubted know we were not bluffing. This special measure is the occasion to inform you of what is coming. We won't wait two more months to gauge the evolution of the cheating in game. There will not be any further warnings. We will apply the usual rule for every cheater, whether he is a recidivist or he pretends to run a test "just once, to see" or pretends he lent his account (which - let's recall it - is forbidden) : the account will be terminated, plain and simple.
A word to the wise…


Why u only give 2weeks holliday to ppl who cheat ?
Would be better if u only give holliday to give name of all cheater like that ppl would know who cheat as now each time u get kill its cause ppl think that they cheat as its seems u likje the cash of cheater.
I know that u cant ban who u want but i think the DAoC community could get an explanation about those change.

Happy new year all.

 

[Aragyn]

Does it really matter? If they do it again they are gone for good...

 

[echekiel]

Does it really matter? If they do it again they are gone for good...

The thing is that if if they start to say that they will get BIG sanction (total ban) toward cheater and seeing them just giving a warning (2weeks ban is just a warning) its laughable so it mean that they authorize cheater to play and if they get caught they can retry and come back its really ridiciluous.

But there isnt lots of ban toward ppl as they know they will lose money and as they didnt started since the beggining to get sanction toward ppl like that it increase the number of cheater for sure so now if they definitely ban them they would surely lose lots of ppl and so losing their buisiness.

But acting like that is really unrespectfull toward ppl who want to have fun and get farm by ppl like this ofc i m not saying that u get jump everyday by cheater but now every1 always think that other cheat as Mythic doesnt matter of there "customers".

 

[Aragyn]

Agree with you, but Mythic did saw that second time you get taken your gone for good? If so the one stupid enough to cheat again deserves it even more... And with Mythic making money of their accs they will reach long to ban them, and population is a small problem as it is...

 

[echekiel]

Agree with you, but Mythic did saw that second time you get taken your gone for good? If so the one stupid enough to cheat again deserves it even more... And with Mythic making money of their accs they will reach long to ban them, and population is a small problem as it is...

I think they will ban definitely in the second time but as i said earlier its more the fact that i m blaming and there is already enough problem ingame to let cheater play.

 

[Daedalus]

The thing is that if if they start to say that they will get BIG sanction (total ban) toward cheater and seeing them just giving a warning (2weeks ban is just a warning) its laughable so it mean that they authorize cheater to play and if they get caught they can retry and come back its really ridiciluous.

I don't see how that makes GoA 'authorize' cheating? Sure, if GoA actively refused to use their cheating detection tools, then yeah, that would indeed suggest that GoA doesn't mind cheating. However, this is not the case and the fact that GoA gave people a warning served a different purpose; to prevent people from getting a name & shame treatment on these forums.

And maybe they're not even protecting the cheaters, but, maybe the players who honestly quit (or took a break from the game) around the same time from getting falsely named&shamed.

 

[echekiel]

I don't see how that makes GoA 'authorize' cheating? Sure, if GoA actively refused to use their cheating detection tools, then yeah, that would indeed suggest that GoA doesn't mind cheating. However, this is not the case and the fact that GoA gave people a warning served a different purpose; to prevent people from getting a name & shame treatment on these forums.

And maybe they're not even protecting the cheaters, but, maybe the players who honestly quit (or took a break from the game) around the same time from getting falsely named&shamed.

The thing that is mean its an image (they give a second chance to the cheater while they know cheating is FORBIDDEN so thats all) its the same if u go to an exam and u get caught cheating u know the sanction (where i live u CANT do anymore EXAM for 5 YEARS) that u will get so yes u can get shame cause u cheat but giving a second chance mean that GoA doesnt care to the normal player they prefer an hardcore player who use bb (so 2nd account to play) as mainly its the harcore player who cheat than the one who connect 1h per day.
But they say we BAN definitely player who use RADAR (and other program)and .... they give 2weeks ban so they are lyier on this and what is the point if u cant trust those person

 

[Gear]

GOA gave us the finger by not banning radar users.

 

[echekiel]

...; to prevent people from getting a name & shame treatment on these forums.

And maybe they're not even protecting the cheaters, but, maybe the players who honestly quit (or took a break from the game) around the same time from getting falsely named&shamed.

The ppl who cheat dont respec the other player so give name and they get shame even if they get definitely ban even if they arent but atleast we will know who really cheat.

U say that they want to protect ppl who dont cheat but u really think that its for this that dont ban the cheater i dont really know why but trust me its not for this + ppl who dont cheat will never get shame on any forum cause they dont do strange thing as do the ppl who dont respect the the CoC.

 

[Ormorof]

naming and shaming people would just cause more flaming on these forums, even with them named and shamed in the news or whatever, it would continue here, it would continue to every other game where people know of them....

theoretically it could even damage them in real life, since many RL friends might be playing, will loose respect for this person, now i dunno about you but if it was my job to ban people for cheaitng, i would feel no remorse for the actual banning, but naming and shaming? that would be make me feel bad, the people banned are cheaters yes, but they are still people, its the same reason criminals have the relocation schemes, once they've done their time, then they shouldnt be hounded by it.

if its a permanent ban there is no reason for it to have to carry over to other aspects of the persons life (be it gaming, or RL)

 

[echekiel]

naming and shaming people would just cause more flaming on these forums, even with them named and shamed in the news or whatever, it would continue here, it would continue to every other game where people know of them....

theoretically it could even damage them in real life, since many RL friends might be playing, will loose respect for this person, now i dunno about you but if it was my job to ban people for cheaitng, i would feel no remorse for the actual banning, but naming and shaming? that would be make me feel bad, the people banned are cheaters yes, but they are still people, its the same reason criminals have the relocation schemes, once they've done their time, then they shouldnt be hounded by it.

if its a permanent ban there is no reason for it to have to carry over to other aspects of the persons life (be it gaming, or RL)

I tottally agree with u but i wasnt meaning shaming ppl in order to insult them i think every1 know its a GAME so i think that giving name werent that bad ofc there will be always nasty ppl but i dont think or cant imagine it could act in RL, game is game , rl is rl and i cant see some1 losing a friend cause he use a radar or whatever of this kind or he didnt had the good person as friend atleast its my opinion.
But be4 we could say that they are "criminal" in term of "cheating" we need JUSTICE but Mythic do the justice for there own and not for the customers

 

[Daedalus]

I tottally agree with u but i wasnt meaning shaming ppl in order to insult them

How can you totally agree with the guy when you misunderstood what he says?

naming and shaming people would just cause more flaming on these forums, even with them named and shamed in the news or whatever, it would continue here, it would continue to every other game where people know of them....

Regardless of what function you want naming & shaming to have, that's not how it works. That what Ormorof described is a more plausible scenario than whatever you seem to be trying to describe.

As for Mythic and GoA having their own agenda, well, I wouldn't expect less. It would be rather suspicious if they didn't..

 

[Driwen]

I doubt you would get any more answers than requiel gave in this thread. So you might want to read that one instead.

 

[frogster]

This was the policy Mythic enforced when they first introduced this system. Seems likely that GOA have adopted this policy as well quite simply because Mythic did.

Who cares? Not me. They will all be banned in the end.

 

[remi]

bet goa found more radar users then they could ban

 

[Cyfr]

They could ban them and still charge the accounts, they obviously have no problem with doing that to closed accounts so why bother with banned ones?

 

[Garnet]

They just dont care imo, they prefer £££ than banning people, right Requiel?

 

[knighthood]

its the same reason criminals have the relocation schemes, once they've done their time, then they shouldnt be hounded by it.

if its a permanent ban there is no reason for it to have to carry over to other aspects of the persons life (be it gaming, or RL)

Ofc they shouldnt be hounded for it, lets let all the padophiles move next door to our kids under new names, we all know they feel sorry for what they did and will never do it again, they ofc, dont deserve to have thier special little lives hassled and fucked over ...

Fuck that , i agree with naming and shaming, cheaters know the risks when they use radar and other such cheats, name and shame, as for the r/l thing... i know some people r obsessive with daoc, but i doubt it would get serious enuf that some guy would think ooooh.. so and so used radar on me in emain and then go find his address and hunt him down with the intent of killing him, besides... they couldnt print r/l names of the cheaters for legal reasons, but by all means stick the names of all thier chars on here, or better still, from now on make all char names on thier account have a green tinge around them like neon lights hehehe, so people know..

and if they dont like it, buy another account , feeding the GoA cashpot
cant lose that way can they