A good BG nightshade spec pls

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censi

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Can someone post a good BG luri shade specc pls.(LVL24)
Not sure what to get....

Should I get P.A what stealth do i need??? how hi should envenom go.... pieceing how hi??? cd???

Pls post different alternatives with reason behind them

thanks
 
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old.Takahome

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IMO, this spec´s quite nice:

19+5 stealth: 24 all, u know why.

21 CS: PA powah, PA sitting target, rez kill, blue casters... and if lucky yellow ones.

13+2 envenom: 15 DOT´s 20 a tic, V nice at lower lvl, but don´t count it as DEADLY if it´s applied other than casters, though it´s HIGHLY annoying and quite useful in many times.

15+x pierce: left over, u can´t get CD at lvl 24 anyway.

Sidenote: Auto train stealth till 24 u got advantage of 20 free sps, can spend em 4 more pierce if desired, I haven´t done it, and I did quite ok. I´ve got a env+2 con+6 lvl 23 magic item, msg m if u want it.

Noche got 351 rps, group-less most of the times, sneak into invaders and kill caster/de-stealth stealther or even better, PA a stealther who inc 4 ur ranger, it´s DAMN fun.
 
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censi

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thanks m8,

whats that about not being able to spec CD?
 
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old.Takahome

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My end template got 0 CD, it´s

40 stealth: less tied with stealth item and fall IV

44 CS: high dmg with PA and 3rd chain in evade.

39 pierce: needed to go 50 asap and the style is 3rd from blackwidow, not medium penalty from GARROTE

36 envenom: rr4 = lifebane, not that hard to get, and no need 4 respec soon to get free points from above 50 in envenom.

0 CD: no points leftover.

CD at lvl 50 0 spec: 37.5%

CD at lvl 50 50 spec: 65%

CD at lvl 50 0+11+rr: close to 45%

Beside, CS got best styles (garrote+AH is best till u got 3 anytime chain from pierce), best dmg add bonus, why bother with CD? Since we got plenty of stuffs to spec in and there´s not enough points... we r not infils :/
 
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censi

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any other alternative for BG spec chaps???

aeiedel you can help with this one m8?
 
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censi

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Thanks, how does this sound
stealth 16 for detect.
poke 20
enven 8 (just for the snare and str debuff)
crit 21 for P.A
CD 6 (left overs)

This seems pretty bulk standard are there any viable alterntives.

How good is that lvl 20 poison thingy.
 
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inuyasha

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Not played nightshade BUT

I have played a little on the US PvP server.

I am, hate to admit, a over-power minstrel.
Yet, i have on my record to beat a red con healer, a red con enchanter (several), a orange con champion and several yellow, orange and lower nightshades....

HOWEVER...one nightshade kicked my ass so absolute i never got the time to say hello to him.

I wondered WTF, case i seldom is owned by a blue con anything as minstrel.....I asked if he had specced alot in pircers, and in CD, but nope, he had not.

He had then maxxed envenom, and rest on stealth, that was it. He had two sets of extra pircers laying in the inventory, and used a incredibly slow combo on the backstab, casing heavy damage as well as slow and some stun or something. The next hit was a DOT and i belive, if it is possible, it was yet another dot, or something like that....i was killed in those hits, in a matter of seconds.

I do not have much experience as minstrel nor nightshade, but i know there are SO many minstrels out there, and they are so much a pest to us hibbies that this spec maby would be a good idea. If a higher level NS tells you otherwise (that have tried it, mind you) overlook this post completly.

Inuyasha
 
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censi

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Thanks sounds intersting....

Tell me was it a battleground shade, IE lvl 20-24?

Are you sure it was a dot that killed you or not just the bleeding damage from a PA??

I was thinking of going like this

stealth 16
poke 19
Env 23 (+2) to make 25 for minor lethal venom
and Crit strike 6 for backstab triple combo....
CD 5 (left over)

This specc doesnt seem as deadly as the PA one I posted above, but Im not sure just how deadly that minor lethal vemon is to a lvl 24 opponent.

(wheres aeiedel when u need him)
 
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spankya

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high CS, highish stealth, high envenom :) Thats what I did with mine at 24 and I ruled the BGs :)
 
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censi

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spakya exact stats pls......

how good is that lvl 25 DOT
 
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censi

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ok now im thinking

16 stealth
13 poke
18 env (+2) for lvl 20 poison
CS 21
CD3
 
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old.Laryssa

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I had:

16 Stealth
21 pierce
22 CS
5 envenom

and it worked great for me.
 
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old.Niljindil

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Originally posted by censi
Thanks, how does this sound
stealth 16 for detect.
poke 20
enven 8 (just for the snare and str debuff)
crit 21 for P.A
CD 6 (left overs)

This seems pretty bulk standard are there any viable alterntives.

How good is that lvl 20 poison thingy.
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I have exactly the same template as you said there with my shade, cept for having 10 env and 3 cd.

One thing of note, GET MORE STEALTH!!!

really, i have 21 stealth with items, and i can barely get close to a blue caster with a blue infil guarding him, i mean, i can kill them and all, but i can most of the times not get the PA off because the infil sees me miles away.

To be a good assassin you need to have stealth at at least your level, purely doesnt work out in the end if you havent got taht.

id say drop the pierce and try find some +pierce items to twink you up with.
 
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old.Laryssa

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problem is that u have a +item cap of lvl/5+1 and if u let pierce to far behind u will find yourself very gimped coz your dmg output will simply suck.
 
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old.Niljindil

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Well, not like the 10 envenom i have is doing anything anyway, it does like ~90 damage, and either i kill the guy with just normal blows, or he will survive the poison anyway. If its a pure BG char, id say you should drop envenom, if its a long term character, then dont spec for the bgs :p
 
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inabus

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IMO

I am a lvl 36 shade and all I will say on the subject is DO NOT put spare points into ANYTHING especially wasting em on CD! The only time you waste your spare points is when you hit lvl 50 ;)

I have no experiance of the BG's except the 30-34 one however what ever you are specing you should be going for the long term rather than the short term. By putting lots of points into stealth you are only hurting yourself in the long run and by long run I mean 30 upwards.

Yes you may have fun in the BG with your 24 stealth but you wont do bugger all damage hehe
 
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censi

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Im not taking the shade past 24 m8 its just for the BG's.

Grrr so now peeps are saying more stealth no envenom??

hmm oks

probably no point in having any envenom then

oks what about

stealth 19
poke 20
ENV3
CS 21
 
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old.Takahome

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Well, as I said, u NEED high stealth, 24 stealth (19+5) is a MUST there, I can see easily many stealthers, and actually NOBODY PAed me there in lvl 24 surprising me FROM STEALTH.

It´s really crucial to not be detected, I´ve been PAed 4 or 5 times, all of which I were UN-stealthed, once vs 3 infils, garrote de stealth 1st, shout 2nd, and 3rd PAed me >,< And other times r usually when I´m running un stealthed (if u can, avoid that) or fighting.

I´m xtremly happy with my spec, only draw back would be autotrain to earn 20 xtra spec points but anything other than that, it´s pretty good. 20*6 = 120 dmg a DOT (13+2 env), it´s not that low tbh, and u can always DD em till v low hp while they running hehe.

U NEED PA to have some real fun, and in the stand off u can kill fast casters and run away, if u only got BS, u´ll find most of the times HARD to get BEHIND any caster in a group. I can kill casters even with infils scouting him, just have max stealth and as soon as u saw any stealthers, strafe away. Try to wait outside of the detect range and wait 1 or 2 sec 4 the stealth detection timer (u know wot I mean, u r ranger), then go on, and PA.

I´ve killed a lvl 24 theu 8 times in 5 min... and died due to a wrong qb, he was with a firewizzy, a cleric (obviously a n00b) and an infil. High stealth´s a MUST in BG1 since all twist chars got perfect stealth but SBs... well... u won´t wanna try those... if u really want, PA and DOT em, u can have em to really low hp hehe, envenom DOES kill (120 hp at lvl 24´s quite nice with only 15 spec)

Try it, and luv it :p
 
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old.Sko

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Actually a thief template ( leftovers pierce/slash, 21 stealth, 21 CS,rest venom ) worked very good in bgs - hit points are not too great, and dot+debuf are working great on most classes in this range. PA variance is mad and you're really suited for hit-n-run tactics. Well, actually i have not tried it - pwyiv from prydwen specced his infi like this and so far quite happy. Think will try this with shade after hitting 50 on my infi ;)
 
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Aeiedil

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ok cant be bothered reading thread :)

firstly, i dont really advise speccing a shade specially for the bg's if you are planning on taking it higher before respec due to the damage output being reduced in pve. ok now thats out of the way.

my l50 spec (based on rr4)

Crit Strike : 42, +3rr, +5 itamz, =50
Envenom : 37, +3rr, +10 itamz, = 50
Pierce : 39, +3 rr, +3-11 itamz, = 45-53 (depends on weapons\bracer)
Stealth : 40, +3 rr, +7 itamz, = 50
Celt Dual : 13, +3 rr, +? itamz, = 16-?

I might have got the cd one or 2 points out but anyway, imo it is worthwhile dropping the 2 points in cs for this spec. the extra cd will allow you to hit more, and will probably have more effect due to getting both poisions on your target more often than the extra spec in cs will have, as in rvr you will rarely get a chain off other than PA, esp not an evade chain.

for l24 bg template i am unsure what to advise, so here is a template based on no rr bonuses, and +5 maxed itamz, though i am unsure if these are findable at your level you can use your main to get hold of the higher level items for it. i am unsure if the items work on a level 24 but you can try.

Stealth 19, +5 items (+2 bracer\traclessness, +2 silk gatherers helm, +2 ring of hidden talent, +2 imbued unseelie boots, +2 cloak of concealment, +2 cloak of obscurement, +2 shadow crystal orb)

Crit Strike 21, +5 items (+2 master assassin pendant, afaik it is changed to cs or maybe pierce, +3 furtive cavedweller gloves)

Pierce 13, +5 items (+2 master assassin pendat, if above untrue, +2 right bracer of skill, +1-5 various pierce weapons, attempt to get a otd such as Rapier of the Forsaken, as this will cap your dps due to 100% quality. a crafter piercer is also a very good possibility, though this will mean you will need to get you +pierce from items)

Celt Dual 3 (leftovers)

Envenom 15, +5 items (+4 midnight marauder gloves, +4 infernal torment gloves, +2 old master assassin pendant, +5 infernal jewel of venom, +2 shadow crystal orb)

This template is what I would choose personally, though as i said above i wouldnt recommend special specing if you want to take it above bg level before respec. it will be possible but not as easy as it could be, trust me :)
 
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old.Demerzel

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had following at 24 with uber gear:

stealth 19+5
piercing 14+5
envenom 13+2
crit 23
cd 2+2 (uber)

but those golden days are gone :(
 
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censi

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is it true you cant have more than 350 RP or it wont let you in BG1???

If this is the case I'll just deleted this shade.
 
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Jarrax

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Originally posted by censi
Thanks, how does this sound
stealth 16 for detect.
poke 20
enven 8 (just for the snare and str debuff)
crit 21 for P.A
CD 6 (left overs)
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I might be wrong but snare would be broken by PA bleed effect, besides, using ga/ah has snare effect anyway.
just set ur bar up
1. PA
2. Sprint
3. Garrote
4. Achillies
They'll never outrun you then
 
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belth

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Garrote snare is broken by damage (even from offhander hitting on the same swing :(), the envenom one isn't - there wouldn't any reason to use snare on archers when PA'ing ;)
 
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Aeiedil

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my normal preference is to pa with a DoT and Str\Con debuff, failing that i normally switch the debuff for a disease. snare i use for emergency escapes
 
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