5-specc vs Soul vs SZ. What is the best?

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mirak_naijmi

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I could include critblade here to, but they are based on something totally else so...

Anyway, im gonna respecc my 5-specc in 1,60. Probably il just fix my specc and stay 5-specc since i made som smaller misstakes.
atm im:
39+15Axe
39+15LA
34+15sth
34+15CS
31+9env

And in that case il go

37+15axe
44+15LA
33+15sth
34+15CS
28+9Env
(this is if i havent reached rr6...then raise all the + 1:))


I played Soul before this with the specc
45Axe
44LA
34CS
35sth
(dont remember the + but it was before SC armor andi think i was rr4 atm.)

And i also tried SZ with the specc
46axe
44LA
34Env
33sth
(something like that anyway)

My experience is i hit pretty much as hard as both the soul and the zerker as an 5-specc. One part is that im rr5 now and have SC armor but still, i had about 50 axe/la as SZ and soul to and i heard raising them above 50 isnt doing THAT much difference. Before SC the 5-speccs problem was they couldnt get there axe and LA high enough to do any serious damage. But now with SC i get them both easily above 50, and i get CS to 50 at rr6 and i also have the lvl 37 debuff, a good enough DoT and a crippling which make my prey stay long enough to die...:p
Not that it will matter that much i will probably just fix my 5-specc anyway, but what do you think is the best? It would be intresting to know :)
 
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Xandax

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Nothing is best - well except speccing sword, axe to 50 might not be so smart :D

It all comes down to how you like to play and what tools you use most.

Personally I would not go Soulblade (yet) because I still find the usefullness of poisons way better then some more damage.
Shadowzerk is not my kind of style either - I was this before we got our free respec some patches ago, and I really didn't like it much. Of course I wasn't as experienced SB as I am now, but still - that play style isn't for me either.
5 spec. - well the main dissagreement I have with this spec is that it is harder to max out on a SC then the 2 other (4specs).

Damagewise I don't really have any numbers from personal testing - so can't help you there.

Another things that speak for SZ/Soulblades contra 5spec.s are the fact of end usage. 5specs. use loads of endurance because not only will PA/CD take a good deal but 5specs. are also all but limited to using DF or SS as main offence where as SZ/Soulblades can get the followup to SS - Icy Brilliance wich should be a good one and thus maybe use more less, endurance eating styles then DF.
And we all know that DF takes loads of endurance.


I also think buffbots are quite an issue here. Seeing as the SZ haven't got PA/CD combo, he will do less initial damage, thus he have to stay in the frey longer to do the same damage (even if it is 2-3 more swings) and thus buffs come in handy, con, dex/quick and str. wise.

The lack of IP have proberly hurt the SZ more then 5spec. and Soulblades I would think.

well - hope you can use some of my ramblings - but I'd just like to point at the first couple of lines again:

It all comes down to how you like to play and what tools you use most to decide what is "best".
 
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katt!

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tbh the first one looks best, 44 LA is kind of a waste and not having the 47 debuff sucks :/
 
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Zill

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This is my Spec which I believe is the overall best for a SB and similar to the second one on your list:-

Stealth 33 + 16
Left Axe 44 + 8
Axe 39 + 10
CS 34 + 14
Envenom 27 + 13

I've been very tempted to respec to a SZ, but personally I can not imagine going through the game without the CS styles PA and CD. Endurance isn't an issue either as I have the RA ability second wind so this spec works fine for me.
 
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aucard

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i got 44 Laxe, 43 axe, 34 CS, 34 Stelth. Im happy with that. Only high rr infil that can be a prob sometimes.
 
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mirak_naijmi

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Ok, i will argue with you just to try my specc in an argument. Im happy youre helping me :)

Xandax, with the 5-specc specc i wrote last i will have icy brilliance so the lack of endurance will be the same.

Katt, 44 LA definately isnt a waste since IB it one of the best LA styles there is. Same damage as DF and slowed..and just medium end usage..it owns. And also, it gives backstab 2 some boost.
The difference between 37 debuff and 47 debuff is so small (-91cons/str vs -119cons/str) that it isnt worth raising it 10 expensive points! You need 31 env at rr6 and +11 from youre items if u want it. That is alot of points you lose in specc and resitances for example.

Aucard, think that goes for most SBs that arent gimps :p

Arnor, its here alrdy :)
 
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Xandax

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Originally posted by mirak_naijmi

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Xandax, with the 5-specc specc i wrote last i will have icy brilliance so the lack of endurance will be the same.
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hehe - sorry - didn't even look at your spec suggestions - just posted general.
 
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marach

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1. we get a respec next patch (1.60??)

2. i personaly think SZ is the best and im very sattisfied whit my spec ( 44/44 34stealth 36env 5 cs) only thing i would like to change was down env by one and take cs to 10 for bs2.

but still it realy depends on ur play style and nothing else.
 
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Moodyard^_^

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My specc is 44axe 45 laxe 34 stealth 35 envenom and 12 cs wich work very fine for me, autotrained stealth all the way tho
 
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Tasans

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How about this for a 5 spec?
34 axe
34 cs
39 LA
35 sth
36 env
Will the advanced poisons make out for the low wpnskill? (rr4 for lifebane)
 
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Moodyard^_^

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remi

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please
 
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katt!

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Originally posted by mirak_naijmi
Ok, i will argue with you just to try my specc in an argument. Im happy youre helping me :)

Xandax, with the 5-specc specc i wrote last i will have icy brilliance so the lack of endurance will be the same.

Katt, 44 LA definately isnt a waste since IB it one of the best LA styles there is. Same damage as DF and slowed..and just medium end usage..it owns. And also, it gives backstab 2 some boost.
The difference between 37 debuff and 47 debuff is so small (-91cons/str vs -119cons/str) that it isnt worth raising it 10 expensive points! You need 31 env at rr6 and +11 from youre items if u want it. That is alot of points you lose in specc and resitances for example.

Aucard, think that goes for most SBs that arent gimps :p

Arnor, its here alrdy :)
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and the difference between SS and IB is about 20% as well, and what will you use more often? a debuff poison or a behind style, second in a chain. unless you are running with groups, in which case you should have rolled a zerker instead.
 
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Xandax

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Well I know for one that I wouldn't trade my high Envenom for much.

My spec:
38 Axe
39 L.Axe
34 CS
34 Stealth
34 Envenom.
(autotrained some stealth)

And am quite happy with this as a 5spec template.
I think I have about +13(+9 bonus and RR) to my envenom skill and I must say - as game is atm - I wouldn't trade that for a little higher weaponskills.

If I were to respec (did you say we got respec in 1.60? - or you talking about respec stones?) I wouldn't mind trying out a CB, but I wouldn't got soulbladeish with low envenom.

The utility in poisons are just to good imo with diesase, snare, debuff and dot and now the new poisons from alchymy where attack speed debuff could seem nice (will have to test this in a duel sometime)
 
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Repent Reloaded

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Whats better for a sb, Sword or Axe ? I know that there isnt a 'better' but what do u guys think ?

yeah Remi, do one!

Ryudo (L28) --->:twak:<--- Remi (L50 infil)

hahah pwned!
 
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Runolaz

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...just wanted to add...GET lvl 47 debuff. The lvl 47 debuff is IMHO too good to pass up.

Mirak if you like PA then go 5-spec, otherwhise go SZ...:p. I think going Soulblade with little env puts you on a dissantavtage, but thats IMHO. As a SZ I tried 50Axe/44LA/27ENV << 46Axe/44La/33Env (current), and IMO the difference is the debuff.

You're soon RR6 I would Imagin, and then I would spec 31-32ST/31ENV, and the left overs you put in Axe.
 
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owe

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i am currently:
37 stealth
44 la
39 axe
34 cs
22 envenom

it works "ok" for me ;)
but i really think i miss out the goddies from a bit more high envenom.

i was thinking respec to:

35 stealth
44 la
41 axe
21 cs
32 envenom

Also, does anyone know if autotrained stealth to lvl 48, will u still get thoose auto trained points with a respec or will you then lose em?
 
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Zill

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Originally posted by owe
i am currently:
37 stealth
44 la
39 axe
34 cs
22 envenom

it works "ok" for me ;)
but i really think i miss out the goddies from a bit more high envenom.

i was thinking respec to:

35 stealth
44 la
41 axe
21 cs
32 envenom

Also, does anyone know if autotrained stealth to lvl 48, will u still get thoose auto trained points with a respec or will you then lose em?
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Imo 21 pts in CS is wasted, as PA will have a much lower cap and you won't have the back up style CD.
 
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mirak_naijmi

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Katt, i will use IB pretty much every fight maybe more than once + i get slowed from that. And its to save some end there to. But yes you got a point.

Thats an idea runolaz but problem is i need 37 env or change my whole SC armor to get 47 env. So i wont go there.

And the respec im talking about are the respec stones yes.
 
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katt!

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well, i talk from the "solo" point.

higher envenom > 44 LA in solo situations.

in group situations its questionable.
 
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Sleip

Guest
My specc!

I personally think you should use 5-specc, it isnt the best at lower realm ranks but is the only specc above RR5. The downside of this is of course I dont get the Icy Brilliance style which can be good in some situations. My specc is with autotrained stealth until lvl 24 I believe.
I use this specc on my sb:

36 Axe
39 LA
35 Env
34 CS
35 Stealth

Ive got +15 in every skill and RR5 that gives me lifebane and 50+ in both weapons and stealth. One thing though is that you should have your envenom skill at a lvl when you still get lifebane, ex: if I am RR7 I only need 33 in Envenom because item and rr bonus will give me 50 in envenom. then the pts would better be spent in axe or la.

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Mortalis the lvl 50 SB RR5
Sleipner the lvl 50 Healer RR5
Valhandir the lvl 50 Hunter RR5
 
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mirak_naijmi

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This is the new thing im thinking about. It will lower my matter resist with 11% since i need more + env but il live with it(and NO i will not start looking for loads of SI items to cap everyting..its boring). And this is when im rr6

32+16sth
35+16axe
44+16LA
34+16CS
31+16Env

That should work...and resists are for gimps anyway :p
 
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katt!

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that looks good.. but i still think 44 LA is a waste :p
 
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mirak_naijmi

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Only thing im worried about is 35 axe=gimped damage...but i dont think so :)
 
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katt!

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[21:00] <ace|aada> i hade 925weap skill before SC (50 base axe)
[21:00] <ace|aada> then i added SC, +11
[21:00] <Carlos-Bananos> aye :/
[21:00] <ace|aada> then i got 1044..
[21:00] <ace|aada> wich is MUCH better
[21:00] <Carlos-Bananos> what about when buffed aada/
[21:00] <ace|aada> 1414
[21:01] <Carlos-Bananos> i got exactly 1114
[21:01] <Carlos-Bananos> buffed
[21:01] <Carlos-Bananos> with 36+8 axe
[21:01] <Carlos-Bananos> your at like 50+5/6 from RR
[21:02] <Carlos-Bananos> + 11 ?
[21:02] <ace|aada> 50
[21:02] <ace|aada> +16

some weaponskill numbers
 
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