2H savage template?

[Nausilus^^]

Anyone got any good 2h templates lying out there they would like to share? Considering making one (had awesome fun with 2h savage on Gorre), but since I've been h2h the whole "career" on my current savage, I'm kinda confused about what stats are important and which weapons (arti's?) would be good to use.

Any advice and/or templates?

 

[Jimmae]

malice or battler for weapon, hammer for spec, 44 hammer 49 savagery.. get +15 str/10 con at birth.. troll you want to cap qui/con and get +26 cap to str on your template

i like malice, but battler is easier to level atm

and aye, i had fun with one i made on there too 2 shotting infils = fun

 

[Nausilus^^]

and aye, i had fun with one i made on there too 2 shotting infils = fun

Skald + savage duo.. at one point we took out 2 animist, 1 ench, 1 druid and a ranger or NS I think it was Absolutely hilarious.. ofc I realize that there are bad resists to take into consideration when playing Gorre, but I still loved it.

Anyone who could explain to me what exactly dex and qui does for a 2h specced class? I know I (and many others) have probably asked it tons of times before, but I never can remember.

 

[Jimmae]

Skald + savage duo.. at one point we took out 2 animist, 1 ench, 1 druid and a ranger or NS I think it was Absolutely hilarious.. ofc I realize that there are bad resists to take into consideration when playing Gorre, but I still loved it.

Anyone who could explain to me what exactly dex and qui does for a 2h specced class? I know I (and many others) have probably asked it tons of times before, but I never can remember.

evade is based on dex and qui, mainly qui though, so cap that as much as possible.
qui lowers your styled damage, because you swing faster.. but your base damage stays the same.. so say you're swinging your malice at 5.6 speed (35 qui troll would prob do this) you'd hit massively hard with style bonus.. but your base damage would be the same as the troll savage stood next to you swinging the same malice at 1.8seconds a pop.
dex isnt that important for 2h classes as they all have minimal parry (which is what dex is most useful for).
cap str first, then con, then hits, then qui.

 

[Kedoz]

Well evade is calculated like this : (dex + qui )/2. On my savage savage the number are (400 + 250)/2, wich gives me a fairly good evade. But I rolled a kobbeh savage due to the fact that i dont like HUGE chars

If you did the mistake of going 2h vs an infil.. you would on avrage face a few problems. Dualwield half the deffensive skills such as evade, 2H does not. So you would be faceing high evade + dodger + dex modi. And ur low WS doesnt realy help either. But due to this beeing a game of random numbers you might be able to wtfhpwn a RR11 infil with out any problems at times, but I can almost garantee you that you will get a DF in ur face every fight.

You will also lose ur dobble/tripple/quad hits with a 2H spec. And when a H2H speced savage tripple/quad hit, they push their dmg up to the same lvl as a 2H speced savage.

On avrage if you put a H2H savage and a 2H savage in a duel, I would say that the H2H savage would win more fights that the 2H savage. Evade IV + 25% + dex modi, + 25% parry would on papire devistate the 2H savage. But the H2H savage would only face half of that evade/parry. This is the facts, but we all know things usealy dont happend like the "rules" say they should. So if the 2H savage won 10 fight in a row I realy woudlnt be suprised, cuz they pack quite a punch.

If you want to get close to caping ur melee speed, you need 250 quickness and 49 savagery. With 5.6 2H weap ur swing speed cap is 1.5 secs.
This is useing 2H Battler (5.6 speed)

250 qui + 10% melee speed + red shout (39%) = 1.7019s swing time.
150 qui + 10% melee speed + red shout (39%) = 2.2509s swing time.

To compare this with H2H ( 4.4\4.0 speed)

250 qui + 10% melee speed + red shout (39%) = 1.5s swing time (cap).
250 qui + 10% melee speed + yellow shout (32%) = 1.51776s swing time.
150 qui + 10% melee speed + red shout (39%) = 1.80072s swing speed.
150 qui + 10% melee speed + yellow shout (32%) = 2.00736s swing time.

There you go.. lots of unintresting info I would never change my H2H spec, but if you enjoy playing a 2H spec, they do good dmg. And since savages generaly dont get much RvR action now days anyway it doesnt realy matter. My savage has steady RvR action, but im just a BG/Grapple bot

To actualy awnser ur question:
You could more or less use the Fotm savage template, and just change the 2 greves with a 2H battler (yes I would have used Battler). With a few minor changes to a template it would work just fine.
Artis you should use: GoV, Scalars, Battler, Shades of mist and CB. Or thats the once I use, or you have to change the Battler for Snakecharmer tho.

 

[Nausilus^^]

Very nice info.. cleared up a lot for me.

My problem is, that Nausilus is the savage I've played since I started. H2H, never any other spec. I enjoyed it, especially before the nerf , and still after the nerf using 2x sally tails. But after I tried 2h on Gorre, I find myself.. wanting to play 2h more and more because of the dmg, and because it's "something else" than I'm used to

I might stick with h2h kobbie, get some more artifacts (hope Vavires's arti hunt will help me there), and then when NF hits EU I can always lvl a 2h savage in battlegrounds and see if I keep liking it.

Thanks for the info though.. definately good info.

Btw are you doing any more ml4 and 5 raids?

 

[Kedoz]

Yes I will do one more of each But atm I have to talk to vavires hes "stealing" my ML raid days :touch:

 

[Mikal]

just to clear up a few things
evade is based equally on dex and qui (50% each), quickness helps you hit faster while your basedamage stays they same, but your style damage scales with your swing speed.

haste bonus from qui caps at 250, and evade gets very dimished returns over 300 in each (don't think it's even possible to get 250 qui though)

using two weapons halves your target's evade and block rate
using a twohanded weapon halves your target's parry rate

so to sum up, as a 2h savage you need as much str as possible, get 250 qui or close to it if possible. you can down prioritize dex if you're having trouble with your template, whether you have 300 or 340 dex is going to make very little difference on your evade, of course no reason not to cap everything if possible

having tried both specs I'd say h2h does more damage overall, but the coolness factor of swinging a 2h weapon every 1.5 sec is just so big I'm considering respeccing my own savage back to it

 

[Huntingtons]

think 250 qui is cap ;p

 

[Dracus]

Ive been both 2h and hth on my savage...several times for each spec and i think 2h is more f00n..its steady dmg, but no extreme hits(ie no quads) where hth is more varied.

I enjoyed my hammer spec before toa killed a rr5 infil at L41..in DF..got 1200 rps hammer is awesome for assasin killing remember hittin an NS for 541 no crit with lambast and 1 of the TG hammers...5.0 spd i think.

But They nerfed the dmg...so it kinda sux now ToA might make up for this...with 5.6 spd weaps and %dmg etc.

Ive been considering tryin a DW axe spec..just for laffs

44axe
34hth
35savagery

or

44axe
38hth
30savagery

and use battler malice combo

But then i get a lotta weird ideas >_<

/Dracus

 

[Belorfyn]

Ive been considering tryin a DW axe spec..just for laffs
...
But then i get a lotta weird ideas >_<

Join the club I've tried out hammer+h2h spec but it was very bad damage wise.. Something worth trynig might be 39 hammer, 20 h2h, 49 savagery.. I almost went for that just yesterday but then went 2h for change again. 2h rocks, been that before nerf too and then I was h2h when I ToA'ed up and started playing savvy again but now wanted to try out 2h again.

About the 39 hammer, 20 h2h, 49 savagery... The hammer spec seems low but it doesn't actually matter that much in weaponskill..Stats mean loads. I mean I got unbuffed 800 h2h spec now with ONE point in h2h and 1100 or so with 2h hammer. Though I'm Valkyn so my dex is uber high while str isn't uber at all.

Anyway, I think the only real options (besides being curious and trying out things) for savages remain either h2h or 2h spec..