1.69 inc soonish i guess, predictions?

[Shike]

3 healers with FZ
1 skald with FZ
2 savages with 4.4claws etc etc etc doing quite crazy damage BGing aswell
1 SM or BD for some magix/interrupts/etc
1 shaman specced for best shearing

or a similarly opted group.

How can this be stopped? Can it be stopped? Will Mythic see the problem?

Albs cant really build in a shearer into a group due to spread utility and have problems already in 1.68 as I see it.

Hibs can ofc loose a damagedealer and add in a sherer but this would severely gimp the damageoutput I think, we already at a bad position vs mids if they use 4xFZ and have to kill down keymids extremely fast as is (imho anyway) to stand a chanse, gimp that and I think it will be too hard to win a fight in the longrun. Casters without specs might aswell just go and die to lessen the pain.

I just see pain.. and lots of it incoming to us, and there aint a fooking thing we can do about it.

Healers should really loose soj to shamans, wardens and friars should really be the shearers for hib/alb and not our primary healers (the reason I rather see healers loose it than droods/clerics get it is simply that I consider FZ to be one of the most idiotic things ever implemented in daoc, dont really want more of it)

Any thoughts? It just seem to me as if Mythic just have lost it completely this time, or do mids in US really just play very strange?

 

[Devaster]

How can this be stopped? Can it be stopped? Will Mythic see the problem?

easy! yes! Mythic /nocare

exc/albs wont have problems fighting that.

 

[Ilum]

Well first of all, has the intent of patching been to balance realms for FG v FG combat? I dont think this has been where Mythoc has been trying to going. Although, you could argue that FG v FG balance says a lot about Zerg vs Zerg balance.

Secondly, will mids be unkillable? Possibly. But maybe not. Might need some alteration of group set-ups and some new thinking to be able to compete, but never say never.

 

[SilverHood]

If it's bothering you so much, why not just delete your characters and go play Midgard?

Try running with more than one FG.... big battles are always more fun that than counter-strike fights, err, counter-mez fights.

 

[Shike]

Well first of all, has the intent of patching been to balance realms for FG v FG combat? I dont think this has been where Mythoc has been trying to going. Although, you could argue that FG v FG balance says a lot about Zerg vs Zerg balance.

Secondly, will mids be unkillable? Possibly. But maybe not. Might need some alteration of group set-ups and some new thinking to be able to compete, but never say never.

Yea I'm aware of that Mythic kinda want (or do they really, will explain later) to steer off the path of the FGfights but it kinda doesnt make sense tbh. Groups are given more and more tools that allow to make it easier and easier to combat large crowds of lesser experienced players in my eyes tbh. If they truly wanted masses to have the most power, they should really take away all CC that is making your character unable to do anything at all, AoEroot kinda allow you to still use bows/cast/heal/etc but mez and stuns allow you to do nothing at all and is rendered completely useless for a certain amount of time and in that time a solid group with high concentrated DPS kill a shitload of people. HighRRtoons have access to lots of RAs that allow it to run smoother aswell and tbh, FGs are making RPs faster and easier than a mass of people, so Im not really sure if I can agree with the old "mythic is steering towards zerging". Maybe you are right ofc and I'm blind but it all depends on how you twist it around in my eyes. And yes, ofc a stronger FG paired with another stronger FG will have it abit easier vs 2 weaker groups, thats kinda obvious.

Im not saying that we never will beat mids, with a proper jump anyone can beat anyone but im just pointing out some flaws in the design i see, 4xFZ in one single group is quite too many, savages do too much damage at this time and I think that shamans shearing us from our specs will be too much. Thats what I think, I cant really see a way around it since the system doesnt allow neither hibs or albs to put together same utility/interrupting/DPS tbh. If you see some way around, let me know please

 

[Shike]

If it's bothering you so much, why not just delete your characters and go play Midgard?

Try running with more than one FG.... big battles are always more fun that than counter-strike fights, err, counter-mez fights.

What is bothering me is the overall balance, not what realm has what, atm I feel sorry for albs, even though Im a hib, as i see it they have it very tough to get things going well. Poor balance will pretty much ruin Prydwen I think which once was a quite nice server to RVR on.

Some people like zerging, it will always be that way but I'm not really a fan of it, then I would go play excal instead if it was my cup of tea. And just because something is unbalanced, does it mean it will be less unbalanced if we zerg? I dont think so.

 

[Sycho]

1.69 is going to kill daoc i reckon...anyone can see it really, buff shearing can make targets die with ease, i.e for example if a shaman buff sheared several hib/alb targets and a couple of sms could pbaoe them out in 2 blasts or so.

Mythic really are going silly with this game...why introduce something like this before frontiers :/

It's also annoying that european daoc players do not get a say into what mythic should change in daoc.

 

[Skilgannon]

As regards the question about US servers. In my experience of 3 servers (Iseult/MLF/Nimue), the US game is far less competative than the Euro game.

There is much less emphasis on optimum setups etc, hence imo the feedback Mythic gets is related to an environment quite differant to the Euro servers.

 

[Moriath]

man i thought toa was gonna kill daoc .. now since its still on going .. its 1.69 thats gonna do it .. i bet after 1.69 it will be 1.70 and frontiers that will kill it ... yawn

 

[Archeon]

doom...Doom....DOOM.....DOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chimaira]

I remember ppl saying 1.62 killed daoc to?

I agree tho. buff shearing are complete utter crap by the sounds of it.

gifv 50 on zerk and I play "Overpoweredgard"

 

[raid]

Mids will lose a dmg dealer as well... A lot of rebuffing will be needed very likely even if the mid grp wins a fight. 1 shaman can't buff end+specs for whole grp (unless ml4 perfecter ability also increases the 20 buff cap, I'm not sure about that) and going to MTK for bb buffs after every fight doesnt sound reasonable.

Agree its much worse for albs and maybe hibs too but imo not as easy for mids as you make it sound.

 

[Urme the Legend]

Funny reading.. how many lifes do DAoC really have? Almost each patch we hear: "This will kill DAoC/This is the end for DAoC/" etc etc.

I think DAoC died around 10-20 times now... poor thing.

 

[yaruar]

Well first of all, has the intent of patching been to balance realms for FG v FG combat? I dont think this has been where Mythoc has been trying to going. Although, you could argue that FG v FG balance says a lot about Zerg vs Zerg balance.

Secondly, will mids be unkillable? Possibly. But maybe not. Might need some alteration of group set-ups and some new thinking to be able to compete, but never say never.

Mythic is trying to move the game away from 8v8 gank groups to larger battles in all that they are doing.

 

[Elendar]

shame the game can't actually support that

 

[lefo]

Hey, buff shearing is a great thing for us zergies. If the 8v8 ganking dies ones forever, the world will be a better place. Will prydwen rvr die after 1.69 ?
NO. Will it be problem for 8v8 ganksters ? Yes it will.
Btw i have shamy with shear buffs alteady and i love to make gank groups cry irl.

LONG LIVE ZERGING

and for all those CS kiddies out there -> :kissit:

 

[Shike]

As regards the question about US servers. In my experience of 3 servers (Iseult/MLF/Nimue), the US game is far less competative than the Euro game.

There is much less emphasis on optimum setups etc, hence imo the feedback Mythic gets is related to an environment quite differant to the Euro servers.

this sounds about as I thought it was, if you put together a group in each realm and just go out and fight some, there isnt really much of a problem as I see it, every realm have their strengths and weaknesses but overall its pretty fun. Problem starts when you begin to optimize and finetune MLs/RAs/Artis, when you take that into account balance suddenly kinda dissapear abit.

To the trolls posting.. you guys dont really give a shit about the game which I can understand, not all care for balance and I respect that but thats about it I will say to you aswell since you dont deserve anything more.

Urme, the reason Im really worried this time is simply because I see how unbalanced it already is, and shearing I think will be the icing of the cake. I was whining over zerkers because they was grossly overpowered, i've been whining about savages prenerf aswell as most casters have and the funny thing now is, I fear a savage as much today as I did prenerf, 4.4claws is the mainreason why, zone of unmana is another, FZ is yet another one, etc.

If you guys cant see the problem in the balance that actually exist already in 1.68 and cant see that "mids loosing a damagedealer" (i actually dont count shaman as a damagedealer tbh, they are there to CC, interrupt and provide end imho) and gain a buffshearer that only have to specc 41 in aug to get the best buffshearing while a druid for instance (which happen to be a mainhealer) have to specc 47 nurt to compete on equal condition and thus is rendered completely useless then ok.. I guess DAoC is all fine and dandy then.

What I fail to see is how Mythic have thought that an alb/hibgrp is supposed to compete when people start to finetune.. I guess that make me a CS-kiddo like some troll so eloquently put it. I actually liked quake but thats another story. That Elendar actually made a very valid point aswell doesnt matter does it? Zerg so the FPS go down to a minimum and AOE as much as possible is really really funneh... :kissit:

 

[Balbor]

These new change dont really effect Mids, after all there group set up already included a high spec buffbot. Albs and hibs will have to lose a heal spec cleric/druid, and if they spec for the focus shield they won't even be able to get 1st spread heal.

The focus shield is a very pour way of defending against the MA train. The realms main healers and buffers only get there unique spells by specing high in those lines. Mian healers should just loose there groups heals and get 2 levels of spread heals at an early spec.

 

[Belomar]

Incidentially, FZ needs to be nerfed. And which bright-headed Mythic employee decided to give it to Healers, for God's sake?

 

[Firebirth]

man i thought toa was gonna kill daoc .. now since its still on going .. its 1.69 thats gonna do it .. i bet after 1.69 it will be 1.70 and frontiers that will kill it ... yawn

1.70 IS Frontiers

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Focus Shield and Shearing are both overrated. If you base your tactics on them, you're going to get pounded into Emains beautiful green grass in an eyeblink.

Shammies need to be close to their target to cast a shear, and the shear is a 3.0s spell. No sane shammie will run into a group and stand still to cast it. And no sane group would let the shammy finish that spell.

As for Focus Shield.. that is a joke. Sure, it makes someone hard to damage, but it also makes a seer unable to do what they're there for - keeping the group alive, since he'll be pounced in a moment as he stands still.

Don't lose sleep over this... Neither of these new abilities will change RvR AT ALL.

 

[Fadeh]

Its all over. Bring on the next game.

 

[Sycho]

Focus Shield and Shearing are both overrated. If you base your tactics on them, you're going to get pounded into Emains beautiful green grass in an eyeblink.

Shammies need to be close to their target to cast a shear, and the shear is a 3.0s spell. No sane shammie will run into a group and stand still to cast it. And no sane group would let the shammy finish that spell.

As for Focus Shield.. that is a joke. Sure, it makes someone hard to damage, but it also makes a seer unable to do what they're there for - keeping the group alive, since he'll be pounced in a moment as he stands still.

Don't lose sleep over this... Neither of these new abilities will change RvR AT ALL.

Bet that 3s is a lot shorter when buffed and has ToA sc?

Remember though neither did ML's change rvr at all....

 

[Puppet]

Focus Shield and Shearing are both overrated. If you base your tactics on them, you're going to get pounded into Emains beautiful green grass in an eyeblink.

Ehm... You have ANY idea how wrong you are here? If Mids buffshear Albs/Hibs and the enemy doesnt shear back its you trying to outmelee a slash-infiltrator with your hunter with you being unbuffed and he's buffed to the gills.

Only someone totally clue-less can say Buffshearing will not change RvR. No Mids dont have to change their groups to get it. Hibs and Albs do. If they dont adept they gonna fight unbuffed against every good Mid-group basically meaning a 100% chance to loose the fight.

Shammies need to be close to their target to cast a shear, and the shear is a 3.0s spell. No sane shammie will run into a group and stand still to cast it. And no sane group would let the shammy finish that spell.

Its 1500 range? And well-buffed 3.0 sec cast-time is reduced to 1-1.5 second cast-time on higher RR etc.

As for Focus Shield.. that is a joke. Sure, it makes someone hard to damage, but it also makes a seer unable to do what they're there for - keeping the group alive, since he'll be pounced in a moment as he stands still.

He has to stand still anyhow to heal at the moment so whats your point?

Don't lose sleep over this... Neither of these new abilities will change RvR AT ALL.

You sound like Mythic saying TOA wont change RvR.

 

[SigvartH]

As regards the question about US servers. In my experience of 3 servers (Iseult/MLF/Nimue), the US game is far less competative than the Euro game.

There is much less emphasis on optimum setups etc, hence imo the feedback Mythic gets is related to an environment quite differant to the Euro servers.

Just a funny eksampel from daoc catacombs. Where the mayority of those who post on the warden forum, in 19 out of 20 times the warden specc who the yanks sees as good, dont include 49 in nuture for ressist

Perhaps they have more fun though =) Guess they see things a little different "over there". Just see SWG, on euro server there are more Imperials, but on US servers there are more Rebels.

 

[Moriath]

1.70 IS Frontiers

your point being i wrote 1.70 and frontiers as in inclusive .. the patch notes cover more than just frontiers imo ..

 

[Pin]

In buff shearing was in Cave/Nature/Smite it would be slightly better between realms... Doesn't stop it being a completely stupid ability to add at all though.

And as for focus-shield being overrated... Well, it prevents damage about 4x more efficiently (in terms of mana) as healing it back up would - that's hardly overrated.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Yeh, I noticed the 1500/125 range on shears when I checked up a bit later.. but FH doesn't let you edit after 10min, so I didn't bother. Was wondering who'd catch up on that first. ;D

Still, I don't really see why you lot complain so hard. Every realm has access to the same shears. Every realm has to spec rather high in a specline to get them in any effective form.

Replying to the message above: Cave/Nature/Smite - I cannot speak for Hibs or Albs, but they all complained that Smite was gutted, so few would spec in it. Whereas a high Cave Shammie would do some really nasty things in RvR leading to people complaining about that. If you really want to put shearing in as spell line Shammies rarely use, put it in Mending.

Comparing 'standing still to heal' to 'standing still to focus-shield' is comparing apples to oranges. The heal is fired off and the seer can move again. The Focus shield caster needs to stay put and do /nothing/ at all. Run over and smack the caster once and the shield is gone.

The sky isn't falling, and the world isn't ending when 1.69 arrives.

 

[PJS]

Its the bs that is mincers + zephyr atm that Im more worried about.
Pick a spot hide, wait, someone comes past, whoosh mach 6 behind, mez on the move if necessary, zephyr whack whack whack, instastun whack whack whack dead. Unless youre a moc lifetap or maybe pbaoe caster, pointless purging the stun youre too far gone already. Even vs assassins who PA you you still have a chance to qc some cc on em if you can dodge the CD.

So in summary a class that you cant see or outrun that (without purge) can kill you from fully buffed to dead without you being able to move or do a damn thing. WAY TO GO MYTHIC!!!

This one time at band camp this non 50 idiot cleric in drop armour got killed by an arrow while sat down and archers payed the penalty for years. Wonder what theyll do to mincers when they finally twig how overpowered this shit is. Nuclear weapons maybe, total deletion? We can only hope I suppose

 

[PJS]

Correct me if im wrong but a druid with shear cant have spread? Whereas middies can?