00.40 am AMG 50+albs vs 30 Mids = Mids Win

[old.Smyte Me]

Too cut a long and familiar story short. Just logged watching Albions fighting at AMG we definately outnumbered them but as usual we get our arses kicked why?

No definitive leader that nobody listens to when someone shouts charge.
Half the albs where sat like 100ft away doing nothing(yes i know peeps may have been ressed,resting,etc but not all).
Too many pussies not willing to rush them and kick the crap out of mids we outnumbered them IMO 2-1.

I mean if we die big deal, we dont loose xp just a bit of pride

So next time we are in emain can someone start a chat grp preferably a high lvl person so people will join and get some organisation together chaps.

Also any chance we can Nominate someone as War Cheif. At least when Finister yelled "Charge " people listened.

Anyway its 12.40am come on Tyson

 

[aikmore]

I was there!! and i feel ashame to be a alb.!!

uke:

 

[old.Smyte Me]

Tell me about it Aikmore. I'm not calling individuals and i dont mean to bad mouth Albion realm. I mean is it me or do we seem to get owned a lot in Emain?

 

[old.anubis]

the same thoughts from the mid side.
healers put their mez on albs and NEXT SECOND all the mezzed people are hit by mjollnir. WTF?
the guy in mythic who gave to the tank AE DD ability completely screwed up the realm :/

 

[old.Odysseus]

The numbers u post are just about correct. 50 albs, 30 mids.

What u forgot to mention were cons.

I happened to be there and got behind amg to take a closer look at the mid army.... 1-2 greys, rest green+, a lot of blue/yellow.

The alb army had 2 fatal flaws:
a) Rushing to amg in disarray
b) Being seriously out-conned

I see this every night:
A mid/hib army hiding behind amg, a few forward scouts.
Albs port in, rush towards amg, mids/hibs counterattack the disorganized alb force, outnumbering and outconning it, leading to alb armys ultimate demise.

My advice:
Stay at pk or move together in somewhat coherent formation instead of the long column of ppl that can easily be fought piecemeal.

'Odysseus, since u are so fucking smart, why dont u take charge?'
I tried, ppl dun listen, I gave up.
Last example was the raid on excal where the force got split in 3-4 groups eventhough I had given very simple and straightforward instructions.

 

[old.XanateA]

Yea great fight, laggy and bloody, like its supposed to be.

 

[Arthwyr]

Some of you need to learn that you wont actualy DIE when you charge, its a GAME, when you do "die" at the wall you can be back in 5 minutes. Thx for those who did charge with me and all the others well ...

uke:

Either all charge or nobody charges... if you dont like charging, start leveling a caster alt.

Arthwyr
GM <Exiled>

 

[old.Kithara]

lol lol lol lol albs :>

that was one of the lamest scenes i ever watched damn u had tons of ppl on our side of the mg but your charges made me /laugh big time - after some time i got bored and made a fun rush - went into rat mode and whacked some of your minstrels and the other ppl didnt dare to mezz me no they turned around and ran into the woods
gratz u rawk
so we could easily pick every1 of u and made some really nice screenies of the battlefield after =]
and ps:
treniel your are one of the lamest players i ve ever met
happy that your play in alb - you are mostly a freefrag but sometimes u make luck kills if u are in an ubergank grp that outnumbers mine 3:1 at least and then u /laugh and /dance
wow gratz uke:

 

[old.Nol]

boy, wish it took me 5 minutes to get to emain

 

[Treniel]

treniel your are one of the lamest players i ve ever met

out of interest......have i ever met u? and what have i done thats so laaaaaaaaaaaaaame....

i mean the only time i seen you is when one of us is lying face down...

Oh and btw the other day there was 8 mids vs 8 albs we just got mess in 1st and killed u as it normally is in RvR, what u expect me to do when theres 24 albs to you 8 ? tell the army to stop and let you go?



only time i saw u tonight was when i charged threw gate with the only other 2 45+ tanks there and sum other albs who built up courage to do it....i killed a few tried to get back to the gate and got ganked..

 

[old.Odies]

Charging through a narrow passage directly into an ae mezz isn't really productive. Granted, we got a few openings we could have utilized better but most of the charge calls would have been complete and utter suicide had they been followed. Yelling charge or following some foolish rush through amg in itself doesn't really earn you the right to dismiss your realm mates as cowards.

Oh, and btw, there is a general misconception that having an ae mezz is somehow equal to having superior skill, it still amazes me that people can't distinguish between true tactical and strategical abilities (not that a lot exists in Daoc at present) and just pressing a button.

- Odies

 

[old.[BF]MaD]

u wanna know why ?

mid - hib have better players then alb,they listen to what experienced players say.
plain and simple

I dont post much on this forum because i see it a waste of time, but here goes the longest post i will ever write onhere...
(i promiss )

1.History :
At some point we had the same amount of good players surely , but _all_ of them are leaving albion , or just leaving emain...

The albs that are in emain these days are nowhere near the people that started there. I see no lvl 50s from the old days that i levelled with since lvl 5, only a few core players remain,U know who u are.

i was in emain since lvl 25 when most mids there were red and a few purps , i ve seen every good alb leave emain for the same reasons :
-this game is getting annoying and repetetive (no events, no patches)
-alb is full of people who dont know what they re doing
-alb is FULL of people who take their first trip to emain , even several months after release
-emain = zerg or be zerged ( yes i quote lofff )
-fights are won by crowd control -> i know less then 5 high lvl sorcerors. but as i said in my former remarks , 2 of them already left emain and people still break mezz on wrong targets.

2.Consequence :

--->
We have no sense of coordination or leadership and its our OWN fault , because the reasons listed above just make all high level players disgusted of any leadership position in alb.
if u dont lead , people blame u for not leading the 80% grey cons in alb.
if u DO lead , people blame u for everything that goes wrong.

That is the problem befor us , and unlike any other albs i will not delete my char and run to midgard or hibernia. But i will not lead anyone into battle either , not unless alb/exc matures a little.

i hope albs will mature over time, though i still see yellow cons making the same mistakes over and over. (including me , i m not saying i am perfect)

U all cry out for a leader, but no one wants to follow orders. I see several people trying their best to lead and getting yelled at like
"who the hell does he think he is"
"why do we have to listen to him/her"

But ask yourselves this question :

would u do a good job in leading ?
do u wanna be responsible for people's fun in a GAME ?

I ll now end my rant and go back to my crafting, albion needs to think about what's going on and how to fix it NOW , not tomorrow , not next week.
We are losing our best players every day to boredom and to other realms.

For starters i suggest u make a chatgroup or set a date/time in a keep so u can use the broadcast channel or go on irc , WHATEVER
Talk things out, select Warlord(s) in albion and get things organised !

edit : i m making a seperate post out of this

 

[Arthwyr]

Odies... you can NOT be more wrong. And if everybody thinks like U i am gonna level my alt some further instead of going to emain.
50 albs, maybe 10-15 get mezzed, sure, aoe from one of the middies or bad targetting will break mezz on several. And the albs that stay unmezzed should head for casters healers right away. The way you think its suicide for sure. Btw here is some advice for the middies, next time albs do a "partialy" charge, countercharge, so those the "brave" albs at our side of the wall get to die at least once that evening as well.

Arthwyr
GM <Exiled>

 

[Arthwyr]

Oh and to Mad, he hit alot of nails on the head !

 

[old.TheAussie]

Xxxxx Yells, CHARGE THEM

/who Xxxxx
Xxxxx the lvl 12 armsmen

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by TheAussie
Xxxxx Yells, CHARGE THEM

/who Xxxxx
Xxxxx the lvl 12 armsmen

says it all


btw how do a lvl 12 armsman get to emain? the one time I tried with a char below 15 I didnt get ported through

 

[old.TheAussie]

lol.. i've seen lvl 5 albs in emain :]

 

[Keri]

Originally posted by Bedwin
btw how do a lvl 12 armsman get to emain? the one time I tried with a char below 15 I didnt get ported through

Try putting a medallion on next time.

 

[old.Odies]

When you adressed the post with my name I had the silly notion of thinking that you would actually discuss something I mentioned in my post. Sigh, did you even read it?

- Odies

 

[-vana-]

Insights for those who charge

Firstly just let me say... that you high lvl tanks who charge into every battle... chasing your personal realm points and expect to be backed up, have no clue.

Battles at the amg are won by ranged war, and that ranged war is backed up by a charges at the right time....that right time being when the enemy casters have been neutralised. If you dont have the patience to wait for that moment... dont call Albions who do cowards. Instead of yelling "charge" try making some chat groups, identifying the most dangerous attackers and having them taken out.
As a caster i get somewhat sick of the lack of patience during battles... all of a sunden the high lvl hitpoint fools decided to charge all get mezzed/rooted (then ingored) while the casters get creamed by archers and stealthers as they try to provide backup. 9 times out of 10 the side which charges first is the side that looses.

There will be no leader in Albion who throws the lives and TIME of his men away.... same as real life.
Yes it just a game, but those are still real people dont expect to be blindly followed... particularly when the chances are that the people who follow you will be the ones who end up having wasted their time.... a little thought, flexibility and a few tactics would go a long way in Albion at the moment.

We do need a leader..... I'll let you all know when I see one.


Vana


Edit
One finally note I'll direct at Arthwyr post directly and reguarding.....

"50 albs, maybe 10-15 get mezzed, sure, aoe from one of the middies or bad targetting will break mezz on several."

Fanastic tactic!!... lets rely on the middies to screw up! <doh!>

 

[old.Anarki]

Mad said it all, just wanna add something.
Hibs are good in RvR cause they fight in full 8 ppl partys. To get to emain they need a bard, bard = AE mez = Crowd Control. And i quote Veeshan "Crowd Control wins RvR".
Albion is crap compared to that, every1 solo, every1 spreaded, i can write long pages why is that, but think it's not interesting.
Mid: Healrs = Ae mezz+heals. Thats death combo. And they dont move out of PK till they have sizably army, when albion has a stupid habbit to go to amg even when they know that hibs/mids outnumber 1 to 4.

And the worst thing that we dont have a leader. NO1 Listens. Most high lvls dont show up, those who show up dont rely on others. And a decent amount of newbies makes Albion suck in RvR.

p.s And onother crap thing that many 40+ ppl cant hear alliance chat becasue of Bullsh1t rumors (me) or other stuff.

 

[Ninjastyle]

it amazes me every time when i see casters/tanks/healers running alone towards amg
what do they expect ? they think they are gonna own all and get lots of rpts ?
dont think so, maybe they'll get a few, but they'll all end up dead becuz they didnt group in the first place

maybe the reason could be too many low cons go out to rvr and most ppl dont wanna group with them, hell i dunno anymore

 

[old.Nol]

Albs are struggeling at the mo because their rooters never seem to be with their main force. Hence they can't run effective charges, 4 weeks ago, albs were charging brilliantly, because their rooters were around.

When you use your stealthers I shit myself tbh, you seem to have the best co-ordinated stealthing offense out of all 3 realms.

 

[K0nah]

Reason we get owned so often at amg has nothing to do with no leader and everything to do with 75% of the albs there less than lvl40 and are no use WHATSOEVER vs a force of mainly 48-50's hibs or mids.

If ur less than lvl40 ur time is DEFINATELY better spent XPING not giving hibs and mids free rps hand over fist.

Oh and for gods sake when u goto wall, go as a BUNCH not a long thin string of ppl they can whack one by one as they arrive ffs...

 

[Treniel]

Btw Kithara tonight att MMG tonight your grps about 10 orange cons sum yellow sum green vs my 7..........and we raped you thank your grp for giving about 3k rp was quite nice just shows that albs can play together and i don't always kill u in overwhelming odds

out of interest why don't u wear a helm?

 

[Arthwyr]

Sorry

Quite funny actualy. The 8 alb casters are going to slug it out with the 25 mid runies, since charging into a mezz is not productive. its far more producitve to get killed slowly while occasionaly taking out one mid who immediately gets rezzed by the others. Ofcourse taking out the mid is at the expense of the tincans who have to walk in to caster range to rezz the brave alb casters who, outnumbered but brave are gonna change the outcome of the battle. Odies post here on RvR again as soon as you have been there a couple of times intead of making poor attempts to mok someone. Your post did not need to be disected and discussed point after point because you have no point.

Arthwyr.

 

[Khalen]

Yeah sure, ranged war with just 3 casters. Yeah we gonna win with range war, NOT. Each time you guys stand still there waiting for those mids to charge the healers cast mezz while you wait. I've seen it dozens of times. And guess who hasn't been mezzed anymore since he charged a lot, yeah me. Yesterday I wacked 3 mid healers (all used instant heals also, tanx karamon for healing me 100%). I find that's a lot more productive then those casters who got mezzed waiting for them. The problem we have that everyone picks his own target... we need to attack single targets with groups.. That way we slay them far quicker then hitting them one by one... And then the wizards,sorcerors etc. should nuke any other mezzer or tank. But in general we lack the people and organisation. (Sorry but i'm gonna wait 15 mins for a simple order which has to be discussed by all first...)

 

[old.Saborion]

Treniel

I was there at the scenario Kithara is talking about. You outnumbered us by at least 2:1 that time, so you must be thinking about some other occation. I`m not complaining or something here, no idea how your fights been with her earlier. All I know is, you were more than us, we got whiped, you laughed at her.

 

[old.Kithara]

treniel

not sure what scenario u mean
i have 2 options - u mean the one where one of your mates was hidden in wall (wallbug) @ mmg?
or number 2 - where your mates waited on the top of the wall and ganked us )
cant remember but the wallbugger really pissed me off
guess who ? - bingo it was veeshan :> i dont wanna waste my time with quarreling - i just get pissed when some1 is /laughing /dancing and jumping all the time on my corpse
and i am wearing a crown

 

[old.Odies]

The albion casters/archers were getting control of the amg, all the mid casters up there were getting slaughtered but that is besides the point, the only reason we were losing people is because stupid tanks stand too close in AE range but neither charge nor move back, they just stand there hoping to get a shot in while the doors are open and get creamed time and time again by ae. You can make this personal all you want, but if you are going to continue making pointless posts with inferior tactics then for the love of god be prepared for people to point out your mistakes and don't cry about it.

- Odies