Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 117.4 billion, and rising.

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Scouse, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Except the power output is barely above the power and pollution input when making them... but that's fine because they are made in China and we can moan about their pollution.
     
  2. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    It all comes down to European directives..we are legally bound to have renewables at any cost...wind turbines dont really bother me as an eyesore..they are pretty easy to take down.
     
  3. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    The reality is we need to carry on developing renewables technology and we really need massive advancements in energy storage technology.
     
  4. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Absolutely but in the mean time there is no option but nuclear or fossil. Not without destroying what we are trying to save. Fossil will just exasperate the problem.
     
  5. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Indeed and I've stated it many times that the other prong is continuing with nuclear for another generation.
     
  6. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  7. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Well it is pseudo science. It might well be analysed by peers but when the peers are hacks out for a quick grant too, science loses out.
     
  8. leggy

    leggy Probably Scottish

    Shit, if only someone had thought of this :)

    While we're quickly banging out ultra large scale energy storage we should knock together a nuclear fusion reactor and a perpetual motion train (but we know what happens when the lower class rebels on one of those things!)
     
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  9. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    I blame the whole thing on plants...goddam oxygen making bastards...ruined the atmosphere for those methane breathing algae...rip little green guys.
     
  10. TdC

    TdC Trem's hunky sex love muffin Staff member Moderator

    you could argue that plants killed more organisms than everything else in the history of the world!!!!
     
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  11. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

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  12. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Really liked that @Wij. Good find :)

    Always thought biofuels were retarded. Just never visualised the scale. I'm a fan of massive offshore wind ramping up. And like I've been saying along - we need a pan-european project - the european supergrid - to get a shuft on.

    Solar panel farms in the sahara twice the size of central london? Win-win. Clean energy for all of europe and increased albedo effects in the sahara hopefully reflecting a measurable proportion more sunlight back into space - lowering temperature.

    I understand even better now why that bloke from the UN said he almost cried when he saw the speed at which we bailed out the banks when for half that he could have solared up the deserts and provided clean energy for all..
     
  13. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    Biofuels take more land than they replace. For food etc
     
  14. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    It's all right, my mate a few years ago had a heated argument over his perpetual motion machine he proposed of a motor charging a dynamo...when I pointed out friction loss he suggested a battery to overcome that.
     
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  15. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

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  16. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    True. We need storage desparately - and solar's much more important than wind IMO anyway - especially for when we do get the interconnect.

    Thing'd look better without the subsidies for fossil fuels tho IMO. IMF says effective subsidies for fossil fuels are around 5 trillion p/a. Although the conservative press are predictably attacking what they mean by subsidy...
     
  17. leggy

    leggy Probably Scottish

    Not just storage. A way to compensate for the massive reduction of inertia connected to the GB grid (I.e spinning mass connected to synchronous generators). Wind farms and other 'soft' electrical sources can't ride through quick changes in frequency.
     
  18. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    Dont say that cause scouse will jump on your stupidity for not looking at the accident factor. And nuking ourselves in the same instance
     
  19. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    Who cares im only alive for another sixty years at the most. Fuck em
     
  20. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    We need wind turbines high up in the jet stream...tidal generators in estuarys...fuck the fish..they'll evolve, fission and giant space mirrors which every few years lose lock and send a death heat beam through the city.
    All after WW3 of course which is on it's way in the next 50 yrs.
     
  21. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

  22. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    They are cool as fuck.

    (But probably have nothing to do with radiation, just a random mutation)
     
  23. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

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  24. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Whilst I agree, I must point out that radiation is a mutagen. So if "Fasciation can also be caused by random genetic mutation" then those mutations are more likely to occur.

    But yeah, still meh :)
     
  25. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

  26. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    It is beyond ridiculous how much money get's spent bailing out banks to keep bankers in Ferrari's, when they are moaning about a 20 billion project...to frickin solve the worlds energy crisis...goes over budget.
    But that's humans...living the the Vi da Loca now is far more important than the fact that the garage is on fire.

    You've got to hand it to George though, he managed to do this in the budget without anyone really being bothered...awesome.

    'He has also slashed the energy efficiency budget, ended the tax break for clean cars, abolished rules on zero carbon housing, lowered taxes on polluting firms and introduced a tax on clean energy.'
     
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  27. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

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  28. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    I quite like that tbh. But in reality we'd need far far less than that.
     
  29. soze

    soze I am a FH squatter

    If it was easier to transport electricity a few massive solar farms in the middle of the Desert could solve everyone's problems.

    I am surprised America has not got more on board with this. The Mojave Desert over 40k square miles and one of the driest places on earth.
     

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