Guide: How to make a PUG

I've noticed there's less groups from Albion lately, and struggling to leave Beno, so I want to help my fellow dear realm-enemies by making this guide. I make a PUG in Midgard mostly every day, and my daily routine of how to start one is:

1. Soloing while checking out the action, then maybe starting up a duo if it's too zergy for soloing.

2. Noticing how many groups are currently running and what classes they are missing. If other PUGs are struggling with getting support, it might not be a good idea to start up a full group just yet, then it's better to wait until those groups are full. Continue duoing.

3. Take a note of people looking for group, and tell them you might start up a group later if you get enough people. Continue duoing.

4. A support class is lfg. Great, invite him and all the others who you have on your list as lfg. Now the group is almost full, and there's probably the support spots missing. Ask if anyone in the group can log on a support class, and there might be many who can. Take a run with this group, no matter if it's not full or support is missing. Otherwise you will lose control of the group and they start running off in different directions like headless chickens. Get people in ventrilo if possible - it's hard to lead a group without.

5. Next run there will be enough lfg people to fill in the remaining spots, and whoooops you have a fg running that I guarantee can compete with almost every group out there.

Believe me this is how easy it is. The only thing you need to know is what the basic support that any group needs consists of. But if you don't know this, there might be many in group who does when you get to Step 4. Ask them for tips on the best groupsetup if you don't know this. Ofc it's also a bonus if you know how to lead a group, but if not I'm sure one in your group can. The one leading is essential to have in ventrilo so he can give out orders as fast as possible, and if not everyone are in ventrilo have someone repeat his orders in groupchat.

Kimkasper

Guide: How to make a PuG in albion (the ones that most seemed to follow when i tried alb).

1) get 2 clerics
2) fill out the rest of the grp with casters
3) go zerg stuff

1rst - Teach ppl how to use the the LFG option!

2nd - use find button and choose

DPS hunter LFG!

censi said:

DPS hunter LFG!

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/invite censi-e

player not found or in another realm

Kinetix said:

/invite censi-e

player not found or in another realm

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Its torfa-p noob

Vladamir said:

Its torfa-p noob

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His hunter you slag and its Tonfa

i think i have a decent recepy for making pugs <grins>

/inv gradi
/inv everyone in the guild that wants to rvr
/inv some friends or people who are yelling lfg to fill up the group

ok, i now have a totally mismatched group most of the time. most people who run with set groups would just have a laugh at the groups i usually run with.

/head to the closest place with flames, hammers or trees on the map.

Muylaetrix said:

i think i have a decent recepy for making pugs <grins>

/inv gradi
/inv everyone in the guild that wants to rvr
/inv some friends or people who are yelling lfg to fill up the group

ok, i now have a totally mismatched group most of the time. most people who run with set groups would just have a laugh at the groups i usually run with.

/head to the closest place with flames, hammers or trees on the map.

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LOL Muyl, you know it's not a proper TMM group without at least 3 stealthers

Kinetix said:

His hunter you slag and its Tonfa

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Nocare :<

Muylaetrix said:

i think i have a decent recepy for making pugs <grins>

/inv gradi
/inv everyone in the guild that wants to rvr
/inv some friends or people who are yelling lfg to fill up the group

ok, i now have a totally mismatched group most of the time. most people who run with set groups would just have a laugh at the groups i usually run with.

/head to the closest place with flames, hammers or trees on the map.

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/get killed cause your group has 1 cleric in RoGs only and your sorc is "just afk getting a coffee (and he's very sorry for it)"

Eh no, inviting random people for a PUG has never been a good idea =) I like people to have some kind of equipment at least. I'll leave out RR or stuff like that, but semi-decent gear is a must imo =)

liloe said:

/get killed cause your group has 1 cleric in RoGs only and your sorc is "just afk getting a coffee (and he's very sorry for it)"

Eh no, inviting random people for a PUG has never been a good idea =) I like people to have some kind of equipment at least. I'll leave out RR or stuff like that, but semi-decent gear is a must imo =)

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Elitetist!!!

who would wanna run a PUG anyway if its not ppl you know long time etc

daoc_xianghua said:

who would wanna run a PUG anyway if its not ppl you know long time etc

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That's something you'll never find out I guess. For us others it's pure fun.

liloe said:

/get killed cause your group has 1 cleric in RoGs only and your sorc is "just afk getting a coffee (and he's very sorry for it)"

Eh no, inviting random people for a PUG has never been a good idea =) I like people to have some kind of equipment at least. I'll leave out RR or stuff like that, but semi-decent gear is a must imo =)

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Well i guess you were born with RR5? and fully templated?

Easiest way:

• Set alarm for 4am
• buff at beno
• dye all armour black (camoflage)
• chav CM's croc ring speed and /stick to them hoping they dont notice.

Job done

daoc_xianghua said:

who would wanna run a PUG anyway if its not ppl you know long time etc

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pugs are fun

liloe said:

/get killed cause your group has 1 cleric in RoGs only and your sorc is "just afk getting a coffee (and he's very sorry for it)"

Eh no, inviting random people for a PUG has never been a good idea =) I like people to have some kind of equipment at least. I'll leave out RR or stuff like that, but semi-decent gear is a must imo =)

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ofc, this kinda setup is not `i win`.

I don`t care about that really.

me + gradi (rr10, ml 10, 42 enhance, 30 rejuv, 15 smite) + speeder + 5 friends.

and if there are other healers so that i don`t go totally crazy with having to do all the damage and all the healing <grins> so much the better.

i`ve been known to run around with me + bot + 6 stealhers, who cares, it was fun.

having 12 people split over 2 groups, trying to balance both groups so that they get comparable rp, we do it a lot.

all things that would make the average set group shiver at the thought of going out with such a setup.

liloe said:

/get killed cause your group has 1 cleric in RoGs only and your sorc is "just afk getting a coffee (and he's very sorry for it)"

Eh no, inviting random people for a PUG has never been a good idea =) I like people to have some kind of equipment at least. I'll leave out RR or stuff like that, but semi-decent gear is a must imo =)

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I always invite random people for my PUGs, and they're mostly often very successfull. Most of those who are lfg in Midgard have good templates, and have high rr chars. I like having 1 or 2 beginners in the group, so that I know our fresh blood is having fun and learning something. I tell them where they can dowload ventrilo, and teach them the basics of what their role is in the group. Most often a beginner out in rvr is sadly a rare sight, but a few times 1 or 2 will show up, and I'm happy to take them under my wing. A group of 7 veterans and 1 beginner is loads of fun, and I wouldn't call it a handicap if that's what you're saying. Everyone in the group have to play their best when we face a good set group wich makes it even sweeter if we win, also every member of the group are learning something in the process.

I would try it out if I were you.

Muylaetrix said:

i think i have a decent recepy for making pugs <grins>

/head to the closest place with flames, hammers or trees on the map.

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u mean get a grp and add and zerg everything with two legs

Kinetix said:

Well i guess you were born with RR5? and fully templated?

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he said he left out RR and you don't need to RvR in order to get decent gear. i've spent time on getting gear for my chacaters in order to compete (although i still don't since i suck is another matter) and i think it's only fair other do the same.

is this a piss take thread?

The question is not how to make a PUG but how to keep a PUG together as 1 death and everyone will leave because "their dog spontaneous combusted" and they have to "take their mom to a rehab clinic" or something similar, people just cba with PUGs and when they do it's insta log after 1 death.
Also when making a PUG you (normally) stand no chance against other FG's due to them playing together for 3+ years and know eachother playstyle and have one guy only screaming commands instead of 5-8 people at once etc.

Ofc I am all for people making PUGs although I just don't see it happening on a large scale with DAoC in it's current state, not to mention the Gestapo questioning when you want to join a PUG group (well maybe not that bad in DAoC but still..) like what RR, ML, CL, Age, Sex, Last dinner, colour of your dog etc you have to answer before you are 'allowed' to join a group, way too much hassle.
Best thing I've found is just get a group of people who you play alot with already and RvR with them on set days so it's always the same people, maybe even make a guild and eventually you get used to the people you play with and best of all people want to get better as a group or guild to compete ergo they wont log when they die once, but ofc then it wont be a "PUG" anymore..

Calmin said:

Elitetist!!!

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I'm known to be one =))

Kinetix said:

Well i guess you were born with RR5? and fully templated?

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When I played my Druid for the first time (which was when I started to think about 8v8, everything before was not the kind of PUG the original poster meant I think), I had a rather decent SI ready temp. Was not all SC'd, but it had the important caps (ok, it was much easier back then).

When I did 8v8 with my Ani she had a complete ToA suit ready and yer, her template is/was very good.

Else what Pjuppe mentioned already =) RR is never a problem for me, every kind of RR can join my groups as long as they're willing to commit something to the group. I'm not even near to a superb player, but I'm trying to do what I can to improve =)

Andrilyn said:

Ofc I am all for people making PUGs although I just don't see it happening on a large scale with DAoC in it's current state

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In order for PUG's to work you need to be able to run into other PUG's. If after making your PUG all you meet is set groups and soloers there's no point.

The truth is probably that the best way to form a pug is to start off with a few people and build up as you find peeps, but since on the cluster you either run 8v8 or solo or get the crap flamed out of you there's very little way to actually start them these days. Just look at the grief people regularly running in trio's get from 5 people on the other realm that refuse to group with each other to fight them and you'll see why pugs are doomed to failure at the moment.

Andrilyn said:

The question is not how to make a PUG but how to keep a PUG together as 1 death and everyone will leave because "their dog spontaneous combusted" and they have to "take their mom to a rehab clinic" or something similar, people just cba with PUGs and when they do it's insta log after 1 death.

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This I remember happened sometimes long ago when I was inexperienced, and it might happen if the PUG has lack of leadership. Without leadership there won't be cooperation.

Andrilyn said:

Also when making a PUG you (normally) stand no chance against other FG's due to them playing together for 3+ years and know eachother playstyle and have one guy only screaming commands instead of 5-8 people at once etc.

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I've never seen a set group last for 3+ years, but I get your point. However many of my PUGs have become better than many of the set groups I've run in. Usually it's many of the same players every day, so if you regularly make PUGs you will get to know a lot of players and learn their playstyle. It's important that the group has 1 leader, and everyone know who's the leader. When you have appointed a leader it's important to back up your leader in the start to make people pay attention, else you will get chaos. Often I lead the group myself, but when we have a paccer that I trust I will let him lead, and if the paccer get any problems with the group following him I will use my commando voice and order them to do as he says (those who've been in the army understand what I mean). Also I have a macro to spam the groupchat with < Stick! Now! Moving! > if it should be needed.

Andrilyn said:

Ofc I am all for people making PUGs although I just don't see it happening on a large scale with DAoC in it's current state, not to mention the Gestapo questioning when you want to join a PUG group (well maybe not that bad in DAoC but still..) like what RR, ML, CL, Age, Sex, Last dinner, colour of your dog etc you have to answer before you are 'allowed' to join a group, way too much hassle.

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This is important to avoid, I never ask any of those questions before inviting someone to my group. However if we're missing a certain role in the group, I will ask if anyone in the group has the option of logging on this class or if I should save the last spot for one. When I ask if someone are lfg, I will always be specific on what I need for the group to avoid "the Gestapo questioning".

Andrilyn said:

Best thing I've found is just get a group of people who you play alot with already and RvR with them on set days so it's always the same people, maybe even make a guild and eventually you get used to the people you play with and best of all people want to get better as a group or guild to compete ergo they wont log when they die once, but ofc then it wont be a "PUG" anymore..

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After all the PUGs I've made, the group of people I play a lot with already is very very large, and many expect me to make a group when I log on so I will get many requests for a spot and sometimes I even have long waiting lists. This is something all of you can achieve too, if you just try.

It seems to me many of you have given up before really trying? In Midgard PUGs are not bound to fail, why should they be in Albion? Almost every evening there are atleast 3-4 PUGs running from Midgard, in addition to all the set GGs. In my eyes Albion especially and Hibernia would be heaven now to start running FGs be it GGs or PUGs. There's plenty of Midgard groups to compete with, and I believe Albion has plenty of players to pick from also.

censi said:

DPS hunter LFG!

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Every time you say that I'm looking for a healer or shaman, I would honestly try your hunter if I needed a DPS class - if that's really what you want? (I never know when you're joking or being serious.)

censi said:

is this a piss take thread?

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No.

Alot of set grps evolved out of pugs or similar situations.

censi said:

is this a piss take thread?

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i hope so... if not its quite amusing lol.....



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