Do resist debuffs go into negative values anymore?

Biggilus · Feb 18, 2006

Heard that a debuff was capped so u coudlnt go below 0%, but earlier today i was hitting people for a lot of +++ with my Warlock.

Reason asking was about a runey spec too, my old template was 48RC, 50% cold debuff, but would that make people more vulnerable to cold than 0%, and also is it still 50% heard elsewhere the top end debuff was 30%...

Tualatin · Feb 18, 2006

Could be that you debuffed them to 0% yes.. but due to armour resists and weaknesses, that you can a small 1-5% +dmg ?

Thegreatest · Feb 18, 2006

nope it doesn't go below 0%...can't give an explanation about why you see +damage tho..but I got the same when debuffing with my enchanter.

Biggilus · Feb 18, 2006

yea was pretty certain it didnt go below 0%. is the best debuff still 50% tho? and the middle one 30? still deciding what end spec to have regarding debuffs

Andrilyn · Feb 18, 2006

I think they are going to change the resist debuff anyway, saw something on VN about the 50% debuff now debuffing 25% tier1 resists and 25% tier2 instead of the full 50% tier1 debuff.

Gorbachioo · Feb 18, 2006

I did think they dont go below 0%, but appearantly they do. Ive done some testing on this and the results were really wierd

0% resist + 50% debuff = -30%
50% resist + 50% debuff = 7%
5% resist + 50% debuff = -25%

Dont ask me why its so, but those are the results i got.

Labello · Feb 19, 2006

Gorbachioo said:
I did think they dont go below 0%, but appearantly they do. Ive done some testing on this and the results were really wierd

0% resist + 50% debuff = -30%
50% resist + 50% debuff = 7%
5% resist + 50% debuff = -25%

Dont ask me why its so, but those are the results i got.

Was this with ore without armor?
Do you think you can tell us a little more about the test? how you did it

Gorbachioo · Feb 19, 2006

It was with armor. What else do you need to know?

Labello · Feb 19, 2006

Gorbachioo said:
It was with armor. What else do you need to know?

The test woud be more usefull if we know how you did it.
I can understand if you don't have time for it, but it woud be nice

Great regards
Labs

Gorbachioo · Feb 19, 2006

Labello said:
The test woud be more usefull if we know how you did it.
I can understand if you don't have time for it, but it woud be nice

Great regards
Labs

I fail to understand the question. I mean, what other ways are there to do it than /duel challenge and debuff? ><

SethNaket · Feb 19, 2006

Debuffs have always taken people into negatives, provided they had low enough resist to begin with. Not sure why this rumour keeps coming around and why so many seem to think it's like that. It has never been "capped" at 0.

The only reason I can think of is that way back they nerfed debuffs into exactly half of what they used to do (before 2x delve against casted and 1x delve against item, now 1x delve against casted and .5x delve against item), which made it so that it was impossible to debuff someone with 26%+resist buffs into negatives. But there's nothing in the code stopping someone with 10% and no buffs from being debuffed to -15ish.

Kaun_IA · Feb 19, 2006

yeah, debuffs have gone to negative... exept those whit stats.. if u have low stats and get hit by high end stats debuff it debuffs u to 1 i think, or it may even go to 0.

but whit resist imo it has allways gone to the negative... whats the point of 50% resist defuff if i doesnt go to the neg!!

Biggilus · Feb 19, 2006

well when i quit 3 years ago, i *heard* that the debuffs were changign from 15s to 8s, and you coudlnt go below 0%

then i guess maybe that never gto implemented :O

noblok · Feb 19, 2006

SethNaket said:
Debuffs have always taken people into negatives, provided they had low enough resist to begin with. Not sure why this rumour keeps coming around and why so many seem to think it's like that. It has never been "capped" at 0.

The only reason I can think of is that way back they nerfed debuffs into exactly half of what they used to do (before 2x delve against casted and 1x delve against item, now 1x delve against casted and .5x delve against item), which made it so that it was impossible to debuff someone with 26%+resist buffs into negatives. But there's nothing in the code stopping someone with 10% and no buffs from being debuffed to -15ish.

Would you happen to know whether it debuffs buff or item resists first?

Biggilus · Feb 19, 2006

hwo woudl that matter though?

noblok · Feb 19, 2006

20% item + 24% buff
First it takes 24% from the buffs, which leaves 26%. This is then halved to remove 13% from the item resists. The target now has 7% resists.

OR: first it takes 20% from the item, which leaves 50-(20*2), 10% to take from the buff. The target now has 14% resists.

26+24 : 50% debuff, buffs first
13% resists

26+24 : 50% debuff, item first
25% resists

26+24 : 50% debuff, equal distribution (25 each)
14% resists

26+24 : 30% debuff, buff first
23% resists

26+24 : 30% debuff, item first
35% resists

26+24 : 30% debuff, equal distribution (15 each)
28% resists

Biggilus · Feb 19, 2006

ah so its halved buff after item? or vice versa

but if theres no buffs is it purely 50% nocked off?

noblok · Feb 19, 2006

The value is halved when it debuffs item resists, it's not affected when debuffing buff resists.

SethNaket · Feb 19, 2006

noblok said:
Would you happen to know whether it debuffs buff or item resists first?

I'm pretty sure that buffs go first, then it moves on to items resists. Atleast that's the only way that makes sense to me, and it seems to match the resists you get. Haven't exactly tested it properly though

Bahumat · Feb 20, 2006

Kaun_IA said:
yeah, debuffs have gone to negative... exept those whit stats.. if u have low stats and get hit by high end stats debuff it debuffs u to 1 i think, or it may even go to 0.

but whit resist imo it has allways gone to the negative... whats the point of 50% resist defuff if i doesnt go to the neg!!

that was the case before, however cabalists went nuts at the debuff nerf, it now states 25%/25% on the old school 50% debuff.

not sure if im saying what other's have said (not read all posts)

you used to be able to remove all their resists but due to cabalists doing silly damage they nerfed it so the debuff does 25% tier 1 and 25% tier 2

Tri spec cabalists dont get the 50% debuff so they can only take off 15% of tier 1+2 resists.

check out VN as there was alot of talk on this, usually that place is awful but once in a while someone makes a decent post lol

Biggilus · Feb 20, 2006

so there is absolutely no point in speccing further than tier 2 debuff if that's your aim, to debuff? weird that 25% is both tiers, or was that just cabalists?

Stallion · Jun 15, 2006

Dont know what you guys are on about, but it dosent work like that.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showpost.php?p=2747427&postcount=74

Golena · Jun 15, 2006

Gorbachioo said:
I fail to understand the question. I mean, what other ways are there to do it than /duel challenge and debuff? ><

It would matter quite a bit actually..

If you nuked leather which was weak to heat then you'd see +'s if they had zero resists.
If you nuked heat neutral armour, then you'd see no +'s if you nuked it.

Puppet · Jun 15, 2006

Golena said:
It would matter quite a bit actually..

If you nuked leather which was weak to heat then you'd see +'s if they had zero resists.
If you nuked heat neutral armour, then you'd see no +'s if you nuked it.

Armour-weaknessess only apply to bolts and legendary weapons, not Direct damage spells (nukes)

Wazkyr · Jun 15, 2006

whys this bumbed? cba to read it all... if its the topic yes they still go into negative, just duel, debuff, open bonuses, can np be -15% body ressist, and yes the caba will get + dmg. Same for lws/sun weapons

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