Root of all Evil ?

Wij · Jan 10, 2006

Anyone watch the Richard Dawkins programme about religion ?

Top stuff. Just wish he had the balls to argue back more with the nutcases rather than letting them rant and then commenting on it later. I suppose it's more effective really but it makes me angry, I'd want to say, "You're talking fucking cock you ignorant twat !", or perhaps baffle them with a reasoned argument instead

It has to be said though the religionists have their rhetoric worked out nicely. Scientists should be called arrogant, that plays on the anti-intellectualism so rife in society beautifully. Asking what justifies X should be answered with, well what justifies Y ? Perfect. Dodges the issue beautifully and answers precisely fuck all. The beauty is though, the longer you can keep the argument going the more most people will start to think that there is a genuine debate with two evenly matched sides.

Makes you think that mankind has eveolved pretty far but needs a fair bit more work to become as intelligent as most people seem to think.

Turamber · Jan 10, 2006

I didn't watch the programme but I am surprised you needed to, knowing all the answers as you do. Oh the beauty of being a naive youth.

Wij · Jan 10, 2006

Play that arrogance card !

However, I've studied the Philosophy of religion for 15 years now. And I'm not young.

Carry on though.

Panda On Smack · Jan 10, 2006

I watched it

As a believer in God i was curious how it would all go. Basically a Scientist tried to explain why his viewpoint is correct and religious people are stupid. Nice.

Sadly because he took the arrogant approach i just thought he was a twat in the end.

Im sure in time the whole science/religion debate will be answered, maybe im in the wrong, but in the meantime each to their own.

Perhaps that doesnt solve the whole suicide bombing issue but giving the whole class detention because 1 kid pissed about isn't the answer.

Turamber · Jan 10, 2006

Wij said:
However, I've studied the Philosophy of religion for 15 years now.

15 years eh? No wonder you know all there is to know about the subject then. Sorry I spoke.

JingleBells · Jan 10, 2006

I saw it, and he didn't really seem to put his reasoning through very well, and just seemed to moan about religion. The program could have made some very interesting points, but all it showed was that he was an arrogant tosser, the pastor got the point spot on when saying that Dawkins looks down on certain people.

It's a pity as questions about the role of religion in the modern world are, and should be, asked now due to the way science is developing and the role of fundamentalism in politics and war, instead he just seemed to show his pomposity.

Frizz · Jan 10, 2006

I didn't think that Oxford Professor blokey put his points across very well in general. He did mostly just slag it off.

I did like his point about good and evil, though I switched it off about half way through, as I didn't feel he really added that much to the table.

Tom · Jan 11, 2006

Turamber said:
15 years eh? No wonder you know all there is to know about the subject then. Sorry I spoke.

Just because somebody hasn't studied quite as long as Confucious, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on things.

Mind you, given your statement you must know that, you've obviously been studying Wij long enough.

nath · Jan 11, 2006

Wij doesn't have an opinion, he's opinionated. Like so many here (myself included probably).

Wij · Jan 11, 2006

I think the point was missed here. Dawkins wasn't providing a reasoned debate on the arguments for evolution or anything. He's studied it most of his adult life. If he'd wanted he could have spent several whole programmes showing how religionists deliberately mislead the non-scientific general public to gain acceptance for their world-view. That wasn't the point of the programme. An issue such as that isn't worth a television debate though as Evolution has masses of evidence behind it. Religion has not. Dawkins was simply providing his view that religion, as it encourages people to accept teachings without question, can be dangerous. Call it a rant if you will. It's no worse than any of the rants he was given back on the programme.

Turamber · Jan 11, 2006

Tom said:
Just because somebody hasn't studied quite as long as Confucious, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on things.

I think it was Confucius that said 'Man claiming everyone with a different opinion to be arrogant lives in glass house'

Jupitus · Jan 11, 2006

I think it is me that is saying if you wish to provoke argument then do so with counterargument and reasoning, otherwise you look like a stuck up pillock.

Wazzerphuk · Jan 11, 2006

Jupitus said:
I think it is me that is saying if you wish to provoke argument then do so with counterargument and reasoning, otherwise you look like a stuck up pillock.

You forgot twat.

dysfunction · Jan 11, 2006

I dont quite know where wij stands on this subject...he waffled on about a lot of crap but didnt really state his position. I guess thats what you get from someone who's an academic...

Turamber · Jan 11, 2006

Jupitus said:
I think it is me that is saying if you wish to provoke argument then do so with counterargument and reasoning, otherwise you look like a stuck up pillock.

I take it that was for me? Funnily enough I edited my original post and put up quite a lengthy take on the whole situation, pressed post and then received an automated rejection of my post as it was some 10 minutes after my last post.

Anyway I'm happy to look like a stuck up pillock, its way better than (1) somebody who thinks they know everything that there is to know about religion yet still tries to claim the intellectual high ground and (2) a mod who manages to piss off half of the user base, including people who pay subscriptions, with irritating and childish comebacks.

Please feel free to ban me, not too interested in posting on forums policed in such a way.

Talivar · Jan 11, 2006

The point of the program imo wasnt to say religion is false or useless, it was more to point out the fact more ppl die in the name of god than from most other things.And to the earlier poster yes u would give the whole class detention if the 1 that pissed around made a bomb and killed ppl then rest of class accepted it cus he did it in the name of a god.
None of us are in the position to say if religion or science is right but what we can do is use our common sense and eyes and with them we can plainly see that religion is being used as a means to achieve evil ppls goals.
If there is a God then im pretty sure he wouldnt want ppl killing mass ammounts of innocent ppl with bombs ect in his name.

mank! · Jan 11, 2006

Wij said:
I've studied the Philosophy of religion for 15 years now.

was anyone else disappointed to discover this? my illusions have been shattered.

DaGaffer · Jan 11, 2006

Talivar said:
The point of the program imo wasnt to say religion is false or useless, it was more to point out the fact more ppl die in the name of god than from most other things.And to the earlier poster yes u would give the whole class detention if the 1 that pissed around made a bomb and killed ppl then rest of class accepted it cus he did it in the name of a god.
None of us are in the position to say if religion or science is right but what we can do is use our common sense and eyes and with them we can plainly see that religion is being used as a means to achieve evil ppls goals.
If there is a God then im pretty sure he wouldnt want ppl killing mass ammounts of innocent ppl with bombs ect in his name.

You know what? Yes we are. While none of us can say whether God exists or not, we can certainly comment on religion.There is absolutely no good reason or purpose to organised religion. If you believe in God, great, but why do you need the infrastructure, the business of religion to help you do it? This is a serious question that I'd like the religious members of this board to answer.

Apart from a few fringe benefits like charity, and in the past as a repository of education (neither of which require organised religion now), everything to do with organised religion just seems to be...well, bad, particularly Christianity and Islam, which actively seek to impose their worldviews on others, to the extent you have a duty as a Christian or a Moslem to proselytize (say what you like about Judaism, they're absolutely not interested in converting you). How can this be regarded as good? Seriously, I want to know.

Sar · Jan 11, 2006

Turamber said:
I take it that was for me? Funnily enough I edited my original post and put up quite a lengthy take on the whole situation, pressed post and then received an automated rejection of my post as it was some 10 minutes after my last post.

Anyway I'm happy to look like a stuck up pillock, its way better than (1) somebody who thinks they know everything that there is to know about religion yet still tries to claim the intellectual high ground and (2) a mod who manages to piss off half of the user base, including people who pay subscriptions, with irritating and childish comebacks.

Please feel free to ban me, not too interested in posting on forums policed in such a way.

Oh get over it Turamber, he was hardly pissing off half the user base now was he? Just you from the looks of things.

IMO Religion's nothing more than an old method of keeping the masses under control. There's fuck all need for it tbh. If you believe, then worship could and should be a personal thing.

Wij · Jan 11, 2006

Turamber said:
I think it was Confucius that said 'Man claiming everyone with a different opinion to be arrogant lives in glass house'

So doesn't it get hot like ? :eek6:

Talivar · Jan 11, 2006

Dont want ppl to misunderstand me, i personally am very anti-religion.For thousands of years its been used as a way of controlling the masses.Although i do beleive theres greater powers out there, just mot 1s we know about or understand yet...

Jupitus · Jan 11, 2006

Turamber said:
I take it that was for me? Funnily enough I edited my original post and put up quite a lengthy take on the whole situation, pressed post and then received an automated rejection of my post as it was some 10 minutes after my last post.

Anyway I'm happy to look like a stuck up pillock, its way better than (1) somebody who thinks they know everything that there is to know about religion yet still tries to claim the intellectual high ground and (2) a mod who manages to piss off half of the user base, including people who pay subscriptions, with irritating and childish comebacks.

Please feel free to ban me, not too interested in posting on forums policed in such a way.

... and I was to know you tried to add some form of argument to your original post how? Did I misinterpret your second post in the thread as a 'bite me' style comment, or perhaps you tried to edit that post a few minutes later? Silly of me to not know that too eh?

I responded as I did because you ripped into Wij's thread with immediate flame and no reasoning behind it, and as far as I could see went on to continue in the thread in the same way. If you don't like that form of moderation, find another board and save your tenner.

Chilly · Jan 11, 2006

Jupitus said:
... find another board and save your tenner.

Deebs wont be pleased, that next tenner was going to buy his next pair of shoes

Moo · Jan 11, 2006

let people believe what they want to believe.

Most rational christians don't believe the bible literally, especially when it comes to creation theory.

I did have a big spiel typed out but really i cba, everyone has their opinion and most people wont change it.

Rubber Bullets · Jan 12, 2006

Didn't see the program, but I did hear him on radio 5 being interviewed by Simon Mayo. Was an interesting interview, and he sounds an interesting and sensible guy.

The BBC site has the interview in it's listen again section. Link on the right.

RB

Trem · Jan 12, 2006

Wij said:
And I'm not young.

Too right.

Ahahahahaha old cow.

Ahahahahahahnnnghhhhhhehehehe.

Oh wait.............same age as me.

*fap*

Panda On Smack · Jan 12, 2006

DaGaffer said:
There is absolutely no good reason or purpose to organised religion. If you believe in God, great, but why do you need the infrastructure, the business of religion to help you do it? This is a serious question that I'd like the religious members of this board to answer.

Not sure why im getting involved but for those of us who do believe in God and the bible we follow its guidance and Hebrews 10:24, 25 tells us to "not forsake the gathering of ourselves together" but to "encourage one another"

Cant really do that sitting at home on my own.

I dont know if anybody knows or cares but, dare I tell you lot, im a Jehovah's Witness. I got to meetings at my hall all the time. Its not about money, nobody gets paid. There is a contribution box to pay for the literature we distribute and thats pretty much it.

Im not some crazy man, im just a normal guy who believes in a higher source. I tell others who are interested about my faith but for those who aren't that's fair enough, we dont force it on anyone. Again its just following the bibles instruction at Matthew 28:19 which says "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations"

Tom · Jan 13, 2006

I love it when people start moaning about they've paid money and how mods are pissing the community off.

Since when did the ability to edit threads end a person's right to comment on things? Unless you're Bigfoot that is.

Bahumat · Feb 23, 2006

Help, im lost, who are all these people....nice, to see there are idiots in all areas of FH not just in the daoc section

*looks towards Turamber*

dont bother replying as i probably wont find my way back to this

Turamber · Feb 25, 2006

Jupitus said:
If you don't like that form of moderation, find another board and save your tenner.

Done and done. /wave

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