Forceful Zephyr

Phixion · Apr 13, 2004

Is Forceful Zephyr going to be nerfed anytime soon? Ive come across someone using it twice on me and omg... can you say 'overpowered?'

In the hands of a minstrel it is insane, think about this, they have stealth, it has a reuse time of 2 minutes, so they can stealth til its active then happily pick a target knowing their insta 9s stun and their 10s (or however long it is, seems like 10 seconds anyway) ability is going to win it for them no matter what. The advantage of having something that totally disables the target for 19? seconds is stupid!

This ability alone is overpowered, without insta stun along with it.

Whatever you might think this isn't a whine over anyone killing me with this ability, it's more of an observation and a question of whether anything is going to be done about this.

Thanks

Joor · Apr 13, 2004

ye i got it..cant get it to work in PvE tho. In RvR i havent tried it yet, sounds good on paper.

Zzang · Apr 13, 2004

not that minstrels can hurt anyone anyway. or? havent met any.

Phixion · Apr 13, 2004

Well, near enough 200 dmg every few seconds, id say they can... plus the 2 DD shouts

Aybabtu · Apr 13, 2004

Zzang said:
not that minstrels can hurt anyone anyway. or? havent met any.

uhh...... tuff' guy

- English - · Apr 13, 2004

I came across something in Odins, few people i asked said it sounded like Zephyr. It was at the frore lich camp in Odins, Twilight or whatever hes called where attacking me, I pressed moc and started to lifetap, after the 2nd tap it said 'you cannot cast while riding' lol

vintervargen · Apr 13, 2004

it seems a tad über on ministrels yea

Shrye · Apr 13, 2004

Let them keep it, just put reuse timer on 24 hours

... ridiculously annoying ability :/

Aussie · Apr 13, 2004

teh d00m of teh r00mn00bs

Vodkafairy · Apr 13, 2004

Shrye said:
Let them keep it, just put reuse timer on 24 hours ... ridiculously annoying ability :/

...or ridiculously funny if you're the one casting it

Shrye · Apr 13, 2004

Nothing fun about getting dragged out of amg room ;/ so shit...

censi · Apr 13, 2004

each ML line has stuff which you can debait is overpowered.

This is one of the few ML abilities that requires a bit of manovering and skill to get full use.

Id way rather see grapple or body guard nerfed that this.

[NO]Magmatic · Apr 13, 2004

censi said:
each ML line has stuff which you can debait is overpowered.

This is one of the few ML abilities that requires a bit of manovering and skill to get full use.

Id way rather see grapple or body guard nerfed that this.

Whats overpowered in Convoker then? Or in stormlord?

Nalistah · Apr 13, 2004

Minstrel - TEH lovechild of mythic ;C chainwearing, cc'ing, speed5ing, SoS'ing, Ip'ing, ablative, DD'ing, ap3wh0e, zyphering dude in stealth! YEAH! :cheers:

[RR]Cyclodia · Apr 14, 2004

Phixion said:
Is Forceful Zephyr going to be nerfed anytime soon? Ive come across someone using it twice on me and omg... can you say 'overpowered?'

In the hands of a minstrel it is insane, think about this, they have stealth, it has a reuse time of 2 minutes, so they can stealth til its active then happily pick a target knowing their insta 9s stun and their 10s (or however long it is, seems like 10 seconds anyway) ability is going to win it for them no matter what. The advantage of having something that totally disables the target for 19? seconds is stupid!

This ability alone is overpowered, without insta stun along with it.

Whatever you might think this isn't a whine over anyone killing me with this ability, it's more of an observation and a question of whether anything is going to be done about this.

Thanks

Sidestrafe > Zephyr
Ceremonial bracer > stun

Phixion · Apr 14, 2004

I've heard sidestrafe > zephyr, but it never seems to work for me

Kalba · Apr 14, 2004

[RR]Cyclodia said:
Sidestrafe > Zephyr
Ceremonial bracer > stun

Strafeforthewin!

Tzeentch · Apr 14, 2004

Phixion said:
Is Forceful Zephyr going to be nerfed anytime soon? Ive come across someone using it twice on me and omg... can you say 'overpowered?'

In the hands of a minstrel it is insane, think about this, they have stealth, it has a reuse time of 2 minutes, so they can stealth til its active then happily pick a target knowing their insta 9s stun and their 10s (or however long it is, seems like 10 seconds anyway) ability is going to win it for them no matter what. The advantage of having something that totally disables the target for 19? seconds is stupid!

This ability alone is overpowered, without insta stun along with it.

Whatever you might think this isn't a whine over anyone killing me with this ability, it's more of an observation and a question of whether anything is going to be done about this.

Thanks

How much bullshit can you put in a thread?

First: zephyr simply forces you to move to a set GT.. you can still use active RAs or potions or whatever.. it doesnt 'stun' you.

Second: when the fuck was the last time you got stunned by a mincer for 9sec? when you were lvling your alt in the frontier or smt? get some SC and resists.

It's not overpowered, its difficult to use for a good outcome, the better you use it and the better you are at using it, the more beneficial the results will be - IMO this is the way things should be in daoc.

And Feday that was me, was some funny fights there

Moo · Apr 14, 2004

Nalistah said:
Minstrel - TEH lovechild of mythic ;C chainwearing, cc'ing, speed5ing, SoS'ing, Ip'ing, ablative, DD'ing, ap3wh0e, zyphering dude in stealth! YEAH!

with the same dmg output as a wet fish

QQ MORE PLZ!

Dorin · Apr 14, 2004

Shrye said:
Nothing fun about getting dragged out of amg room ;/ so shit...

Nothing fun about getting dragged INTO amg room getting pbaed then grappled owned roxored ;/ so shit...

Iorlas · Apr 14, 2004

Qq....

RS|Phil · Apr 14, 2004

First: zephyr simply forces you to move to a set GT.. you can still use active RAs or potions or whatever.. it doesnt 'stun' you.

I think that would kill most casters, since they can't...cast whilst riding.

Phixion · Apr 14, 2004

Tzeentch said:
How much bullshit can you put in a thread?

First: zephyr simply forces you to move to a set GT.. you can still use active RAs or potions or whatever.. it doesnt 'stun' you.

Second: when the fuck was the last time you got stunned by a mincer for 9sec? when you were lvling your alt in the frontier or smt? get some SC and resists.

It's not overpowered, its difficult to use for a good outcome, the better you use it and the better you are at using it, the more beneficial the results will be - IMO this is the way things should be in daoc.

And Feday that was me, was some funny fights there

Christ did you read anything I said, I knew there would be some retard who come and ruined this thread.

forceful zephyr may allow you to use RAs, but it doesn't let you purge it, so thats 10 seconds where you float around in the air getting hit while you can't do anything, 2ndly minstrel have insta stun, it may not last 9s, maybe around 6 on my fully capped char, thats still around 16s where you can't do shit to a minstrel unless you have purge up, to purge the stun, even after that you have to endure being thrown around for 10 seconds...

If you take some time to run out solo you would understand, if you haven't faced this ability 1on1 then please, keep quiet.

You may not think this ability is overpowered, but then again you hit like a girly as a bard, and you don't have 2 DD shouts that hit for 150 - 200 and an insta stun.

You say you need skill to use it? Sure ya do, roll a minstrel with stealth, stand in 1 place, wait for a solo to come walking by, use forceful zephyr, hit him while hes floating around and can't do shit, once that runs out, stun, theres another 6 seconds free dmg for you, targets must be near enough dead by now? unless hes a solo warrior...

Nalistah · Apr 14, 2004

Moo said:
with the same dmg output as a wet fish

QQ MORE PLZ!

ROFL, thats the standard-answer for trying to cover the whole thing up. Then you are a complete gimp. Was just the other day a mincer hit me for 235dmg+ with anytime. And i have capped resists.

vintervargen · Apr 14, 2004

Dorin said:
Nothing fun about getting dragged INTO amg room getting pbaed then grappled owned roxored ;/ so shit...

FZ is pushing you, not dragging.

katt! · Apr 14, 2004

Phixion said:
forceful zephyr may allow you to use RAs, but it doesn't let you purge it, so thats 10 seconds where you float around in the air getting hit while you can't do anything

LIKE GRAPPLE. EXCEPT ON A 2 MIN TIMER!. AND HARDER TO USE.

gogo logic.

Asty · Apr 14, 2004

katt! said:
LIKE GRAPPLE. EXCEPT ON A 2 MIN TIMER!. AND HARDER TO USE.

gogo logic.

So that means its complitely ok?

gogo logic

Phixion · Apr 14, 2004

katt! said:
LIKE GRAPPLE. EXCEPT ON A 2 MIN TIMER!. AND HARDER TO USE.

gogo logic.

you missed my point, zephyr alone is overpowered, along with minstrel stun its a joke...

I haven't encountered grapple so I can't comment on it, sorry.

vintervargen · Apr 14, 2004

katt! said:
LIKE GRAPPLE. EXCEPT ON A 2 MIN TIMER!. AND HARDER TO USE.

gogo logic.

you can cast while beeing grappled. the grapple guy cant hit you. bit different from FZ dont you think?

katt! · Apr 14, 2004

Asty said:
So that means its complitely ok?

gogo logic

Please point out the sentence where I said that.

And no, I wouldn't whine about grapple if..
1) they have to set a gt
2) I can dodge it
3) it was on a 2 min timer

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