aggramonday? :o

Sharkith said:

Yeah I know that but the point is if certain groups would talk and be serious about it that it might resolve some issues. nvm.....

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I dont run in a set group so no point in me discussing it. Just fill in groups for friends when they need me for a couple hours. After 4years Im not willing to put a game ahead of RL things

Just an example, though this is Shike trying to get clarification if it deemed ok for how Rure's group acted it gives an insight into what im talking about

Shike said:

Some night ago we also jumped into a mid/alb fight on agra and we really thought this would be ok since it creates a 3way. Is it not ok to hop into a fight between the 2 opposing realms? Any reasoning behind it if its not considered to be ok? Rures group was one of the albgroups and they all died, later on we had about 20 albs engaged at beno and who adds in from behind.. yup, Rures group, I assumed they got annoyed from the 3way fight and buttplugged us because of that but I am unsure here.
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So as this snippet show you, a opted FG goes to Beno and tries to farm albs there. These albs will not be opted RvR and out these 20 or so people he talking about them being engaged with i would guess you would have 2 small groups (4 in each say) a bunch of solo casters, tanks and stealthers. So really there no challenge here. If i met 20 solo/non opted people in open field in opted group i would be pissed off if didnt beat them quite easily. Unless they all dump on you then you really should have the advantage over them by miles even though outnumbered, afteral most wont have heals so few nukes and they gone. If this group wanted a fair fight why were they even going to beno? bad enough if you cross the bridge but going over it and closer to the keep is just losing you any right to complain if you get adds later in my opinion. Maybe i wouldnt add on you, depends how you acted at me but you can bet that many people would because you shown you dont care about only fg fights etc

Slayn said:

Agramon is regarded by most people who run there as a zone where no one will add, rightly or wrongly. This is a state of affairs based on mutual understanding between (semi)-intelligent individuals, not any CoC. They realise that the state of affairs resulting from people not adding is more desirable for everyone concerned.

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Bet if i ran through agramon to get to another zone instead of taking a boat whilst solo any group i meet would zerg me down

Cromcruaich said:

Really cant be bothered going over old ground with corran. You should be glad the gg's are out of your hair if you have such a beef about it.

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And i got no problem with GG's, just the large number of hypacrits in them. As said many time before, i enjoy a good fg vs fg fight but when half the people here say one thing (only in it for fg fights) then go to Irvr and zerg down every solo/small group fight they see then it just makes me laugh. Especially as they make a bigger fuss then said solo person that was zerged even though they still got better odds of winning then the solo person did (1:8 < 8:16 (aka 1:2))

Cromcruaich said:

Yup great time in agramon on monday.

Synergy blatantly adding as usual, most memorable bit for me was a synergy add while we we're fighting at a milegate, then a mid group (soz cant remember any names) giving synergy some pain back, then the mid group letting us rez our eldie (after a few surrender gestures) and off we went our seperate ways after a bit of a dance.

Really cant be bothered going over old ground with corran. You should be glad the gg's are out of your hair if you have such a beef about it.

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Always fun to take a leak on Synergy.

So as this snippet show you, a opted FG goes to Beno and tries to farm albs there. These albs will not be opted RvR and out these 20 or so people he talking about them being engaged with i would guess you would have 2 small groups (4 in each say) a bunch of solo casters, tanks and stealthers. So really there no challenge here. If i met 20 solo/non opted people in open field in opted group i would be pissed off if didnt beat them quite easily. Unless they all dump on you then you really should have the advantage over them by miles even though outnumbered, afteral most wont have heals so few nukes and they gone. If this group wanted a fair fight why were they even going to beno? bad enough if you cross the bridge but going over it and closer to the keep is just losing you any right to complain if you get adds later in my opinion. Maybe i wouldnt add on you, depends how you acted at me but you can bet that many people would because you shown you dont care about only fg fights etc

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We went there in hopes of finding low or medium RR fgs that might be in the somewhat situation as our own. The Ascending Dawn FG probably has an average of less than RR5 atm, so we struggle quite a bit towards the higher RR pugs / set groups both in abilities but also experience. Hadrian's might not be a good place to search, but there's very little reports outside of Agramon on numbers, so tendency to run towards crossed swords brings you into situations like that.
Yes, it's asking for a zerg fight when running from Agramon bridge and along water near Beno, but albs entering Agramon takes that route now and then I guess

Can't really answer that post without sounding defensively hypocrital which I probably was, so <shrug>

Corran said:

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So as this snippet show you, a opted FG goes to Beno and tries to farm albs there. These albs will not be opted RvR and out these 20 or so people he talking about them being engaged with i would guess you would have 2 small groups (4 in each say) a bunch of solo casters, tanks and stealthers. So really there no challenge here. If i met 20 solo/non opted people in open field in opted group i would be pissed off if didnt beat them quite easily. Unless they all dump on you then you really should have the advantage over them by miles even though outnumbered, afteral most wont have heals so few nukes and they gone. If this group wanted a fair fight why were they even going to beno? bad enough if you cross the bridge but going over it and closer to the keep is just losing you any right to complain if you get adds later in my opinion. Maybe i wouldnt add on you, depends how you acted at me but you can bet that many people would because you shown you dont care about only fg fights etc

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Corran,

OK lets clarify something before we continue. I understand you fill in spots in groups and stuff thats really besides the point. Lets get to the meat of the discussion and I promise you I will not flame. Although I don't get some of these debates. - I am slow its just one of those things tbh

What I got out of the post you cited was simply people sorting out what happened. Shit happens I don't think any one of those groups would say it doesn't and at least they are big enough to discuss it afterwords. Maybe not all of those discussions in the past have been so civil but surely the point was that in this thread they were very mature about it?

You said earlier

Corran said:

Would that mean that we could also reach an agreement that no opted group will come out of agramon and zerg down solo or non full-groups? That they will stay away from bridges around keeps at all times etc etc?

It simply a point of the FG crowd want to be given their own space, but the moment agramon gets remotely quiet they will come running and zerging everyone down in said area's and wouldnt respect any agreement to a non-opted area

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What is startling about this post is the manner in which you generalise. I guess thats why I reacted like I did. I mean why do that? People typically generalise to justify a perspective that they are not completely making clear. If you wanted an agreement for a non-opted area what on earth would that look like? I mean you have to admit that in fact Albion has some significant high RR zergs running in the area outside Agramon that to all intense purposes look like fully opted 2-3fgs.....

I honestly do not see them respecting soloers, it just looks like a massive meat grinder with the odd low rr thrown in for a bit of PL... Thats what it looks like it doesn't mean that it is very different on the other side of things.

How on earth sometimes around here for example that the people that run in that kind of setup can somehow manage, with some amazing sleight of hand, to claim to represent the poor little non opted duo or soloer is totally beyond me?

Can you see what I am driving at?

Its like I said elsewhere on the adding issue a lot of this is about tolerance.

If your point is about that then we agree if your making another point then I am not getting it tbh.

Sharky

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We went there in hopes of finding low or medium RR fgs that might be in the somewhat situation as our own. The Ascending Dawn FG probably has an average of less than RR5 atm, so we struggle quite a bit towards the higher RR pugs / set groups both in abilities but also experience. Hadrian's might not be a good place to search, but there's very little reports outside of Agramon on numbers, so tendency to run towards crossed swords brings you into situations like that.
Yes, it's asking for a zerg fight when running from Agramon bridge and along water near Beno, but albs entering Agramon takes that route now and then I guess

Can't really answer that post without sounding defensively hypocrital which I probably was, so <shrug>

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I understand you not wanting to run agramon with a low RR group, but by just approaching beno or its bridge you have basically given permission to be zerged. Especially if you stop and fight there. If you went near the area so that your seen and draw a group out your way i be a little more understanding, but as you stopped to fight the albs at beno then i have no pity for the getting zerged. That all im meaning with that, low rr or high rr groups doesnt matter bridges/keep is the land of the zerg so keep away or dont complain


And Shark, yes basically it is about tolerating each other. I have and will continue to play in every form of rvr going. I basically log on and see what is happening. If i cant group i assess if it worth running solo or duo and take it from there. I allow the opted groups to have their area and go wherever the action is. However, if the fg's come to farm the zergy area I will not obide by the no adding rule for the majority because they will have/would zerg me down.

And I was generalising to a large degree which is plain to see, because it really the only way to go about it. But basically, looking at every group that runs on agramon you can pretty much guarentee that at least 25% of the people in each group would happily zerg down someone outside of agramon and not worry. Don't care about the situation in which they do it, they will and so the "only play for 8vs8" becomes invalid arguements. This is the sole reason i dont argue that. I enjoy 8vs8 most, but due to situations I participate in others and wouldnt try hide it unlike these people that then try to use said arguement to never get adds in their fights.

And the opening one about non-opted groups area would refer to truelly non-opted groups. Remember OF in the good old days, you would find groups where only healing came from a friar and yet they could actually find groups they could beat etc. Reason why this wouldnt work, as you pointed out, is that you cant define non-opted for this. For example, If a mid group ran without a bd and stuck an extra sm instead they would claim to not be opted anymore if that was what they deemed the best setup so would feel they could go to the area etc. So you have to just decide what you want to put up with.

Do you want to put up with going to a zergy area to try farm rp's but die to 40 people?

Do you want to put up with dying to high RR's in equal number fights and maybe getting some rp's but not alot.

Do you want to gain rp's by just adding everywhere but getting everyone adding on you back?

Either way you got to make a decision on what you want to tolerate. The fg's want everyone to tolerate that agramon is their area. Question is would they ever be willing to tolerate others presence there? What if solo people that didnt add used the area as well as their non adding arena? Do you think they would tolerate them being there or just zerg them down. Can tell you from experience which they would do 80% the time.

Anyways, only posting because im ill and bored. So probably not making my point very clear, but in general it comes down to simple fact that the way alot of people perceive the fg people (and yes im talking from experience of both being in the fg crowd and dealing with those that aint) is that they want their preferences to be upheld without giving anything back to the people that willing to give them that.

Corran said:

I dont run in a set group so no point in me discussing it. Just fill in groups for friends when they need me for a couple hours. After 4years Im not willing to put a game ahead of RL things

Just an example, though this is Shike trying to get clarification if it deemed ok for how Rure's group acted it gives an insight into what im talking about

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yip, was just a simple question since I am unsure. Nothing else I dont hold a grudge vs Rure or anything. I know its addorama outside Agramon from pretty much everyone I've seen so far but I am curios to whether the buttplugg came thanks to our add on the alb/mid fight or just because Rure likes to buttplugg groups outside of Agramon.. If it is just because it is outside of agramon then we will just be kind and return the favour when we get the opportunity, or just /wave and hope they treat us differently next time and if it was because of the add on the alb/mid fight and it is an agreement that you dont add on enemyfights either, then we will ofc abide by that agreement. Its simple stuff :>

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So as this snippet show you, a opted FG goes to Beno and tries to farm albs there. These albs will not be opted RvR and out these 20 or so people he talking about them being engaged with i would guess you would have 2 small groups (4 in each say) a bunch of solo casters, tanks and stealthers. So really there no challenge here. If i met 20 solo/non opted people in open field in opted group i would be pissed off if didnt beat them quite easily. Unless they all dump on you then you really should have the advantage over them by miles even though outnumbered, afteral most wont have heals so few nukes and they gone. If this group wanted a fair fight why were they even going to beno? bad enough if you cross the bridge but going over it and closer to the keep is just losing you any right to complain if you get adds later in my opinion. Maybe i wouldnt add on you, depends how you acted at me but you can bet that many people would because you shown you dont care about only fg fights etc

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AD isnt an opted group in any way atm Corran, we dont have heavy nukers to kill randoms fast, we run a hybridsetup with low RR (its totally diff to run a magealbgrp vs random ppl, its tons easier to kill alot with that build). 20 albs for us is alot of albs (was probably even more, the numbers wasnt relevant in the case where u took the snip..), actually, too many albs since we tried to take em on a few times and failed miserably every time too! :] Tons of casters and too many heretics to cope with, add in scouts shooting from 2k range aswell and well.. its not so easy at all as you try to make it. Nowhere as easy. And we didnt cross the bridge at all, we try to avoid that, it was just the flat area at the bridge to docks and tons of albs just rushed out to zerg us, and just as we have gotten started, we got a GG in our backs and died fast as hell. We care about FGfights, always have and always will and tbh, I dont really understand where you wanna go with your statement/discussion.. Seems you try and make us look like some bad guys who rolls everything we can come across which isnt the case, we spare alot of people fighting fair fights, 1vs1 and we leave FG's fighting outside of agramon. We spare alot of soloers we see aswell since we know they are soloers and I always yell when I see someone I recognise for us to not add. 99% of the cases it goes heard from me or someone else in grp and thus the soloer is left alone. Theoden has the record so far I think Dno how many times we just have passed by and given a friendly /wave or /hug simply because he is Theoden.

Corran said:

Bet if i ran through agramon to get to another zone instead of taking a boat whilst solo any group i meet would zerg me down

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Any group? Then you have probably annoyed alot of people I think, since I see groups pass by soloers all the time.

Corran said:

And i got no problem with GG's, just the large number of hypacrits in them. As said many time before, i enjoy a good fg vs fg fight but when half the people here say one thing (only in it for fg fights) then go to Irvr and zerg down every solo/small group fight they see then it just makes me laugh. Especially as they make a bigger fuss then said solo person that was zerged even though they still got better odds of winning then the solo person did (1:8 < 8:16 (aka 1:2))

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I dont think any GG say they only play it for the FGfights, I at least play for fun.. be it a fight vs some randoms that is a good fight or vs some GG.. I dont care really. And as said.. not all groups roll down everything they see instantly.. If you read up in this thread you see a co-GM of a guild that will, there are many guilds who wont aswell. iRvR is kinda weird, I dont like it, its just a huge zergfest which is really boring :S

elbeek said:

Sorry but wtf? I have read the CoC and nowhere can I see that Lagramon is set aside for the IRC boys to stroke each others epeens.

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guess you're not whining when those albs stole whole ml9 loot? coz its not a break of coc? -.- bet you were prob. defending their actions.

Cromcruaich said:

Yup great time in agramon on monday.

Synergy blatantly adding as usual, most memorable bit for me was a synergy add while we we're fighting at a milegate, then a mid group (soz cant remember any names) giving synergy some pain back, then the mid group letting us rez our eldie (after a few surrender gestures) and off we went our seperate ways after a bit of a dance.

Really cant be bothered going over old ground with corran. You should be glad the gg's are out of your hair if you have such a beef about it.

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You ought to take up fictional writing.

We saw you fighting Albs and left you well alone. As we were moving away one of your guys decided to start nuking us.

Huntingtons said:

guess you're not whining when those albs stole whole ml9 loot? coz its not a break of coc? -.- bet you were prob. defending their actions.

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eh?

elbeek said:

You ought to take up fictional writing.

We saw you fighting Albs and left you well alone. As we were moving away one of your guys decided to start nuking us.

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Just a question Beeks, when we were fighting AoD near agrabridge, why did you guys just not pass and let us finish fighting? We are low rank and had a fun fight for once and you guys kinda made it go poops.. You even ran off at first and then came back and just killed us when we were winning. Its just an honest question that I would like an honest answer to, just so we know how to treat you guys in the future. Is it just the RPhorny-ness that kicks in, the feel of totally dominating an enemy already in fight with a grp double their RR, why? I dont get it. Its not an addwhine, its just a genuine question thats all, I'd like to know what moves in the head on a guy like Beeks.

elbeek said:

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you stating that coc is onmious and in a vauge sence showing disrespect to people who do fg rvr with class

coc doesnt state that bg leaders cant keep all loot so...

Huntingtons said:

you stating that coc is onmious and in a vauge sence showing disrespect to people who do fg rvr with class

coc doesnt state that bg leaders cant keep all loot so...

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I appreciate that English is not your mother tongue but wtf are you babbling on about?

Shike said:

Just a question Beeks, when we were fighting AoD near agrabridge, why did you guys just not pass and let us finish fighting? We are low rank and had a fun fight for once and you guys kinda made it go poops.. You even ran off at first and then came back and just killed us when we were winning. Its just an honest question that I would like an honest answer to, just so we know how to treat you guys in the future. Is it just the RPhorny-ness that kicks in, the feel of totally dominating an enemy already in fight with a grp double their RR, why? I dont get it. Its not an addwhine, its just a genuine question thats all, I'd like to know what moves in the head on a guy like Beeks.

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Easy answer, as we ran by, one of your grp decided to take lumps out of our wizard. If you don't want to fight, tell your group not to engage, easy really...even for you.

elbeek said:

I appreciate that English is not your mother tongue but wtf are you babbling on about?

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elbeek said:

Sorry but wtf? I have read the CoC and nowhere can I see that Lagramon is set aside for the IRC boys to stroke each others epeens.

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the coc, right... ok so now i ask you if you're thinking its ok to fuck your realm over because the coc says its all right (nothing about stealing raid items if you're loot holder or get the loot in general)?
im just implying that its retarded to use the coc as argument in a discussion as this.

noaim said:

Always fun to take a leak on Synergy.

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lol less quoting my noobishness in ur sig

Cromcruaich said:

Yup great time in agramon on monday.

Synergy blatantly adding as usual, most memorable bit for me was a synergy add while we we're fighting at a milegate, then a mid group (soz cant remember any names) giving synergy some pain back, then the mid group letting us rez our eldie (after a few surrender gestures) and off we went our seperate ways after a bit of a dance.

Really cant be bothered going over old ground with corran. You should be glad the gg's are out of your hair if you have such a beef about it.

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We will 'add' on hib vs mid fights IF the driver decides, they are both enemies.

We don't 'add' on alb fg vs enemy fg fights unless a) our group is attacked, b) if we are asked/if the albs are losing or c) there is confusion as to the nature of the fight; ie if it really is fg v fg.

Sometimes, sure, somoene will nuke first and think later - that doesn't mean, as a guild, we 'add'. It's funny stealthing in on IRC while I'm driving a full PUG (no other guildies); meeting groups then watching on IRC for the "OMG SYNERGY ADDING AGAIN LOLOLZOZOORRM8ssLOL"...

Riiiiight.

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the coc, right... ok so now i ask you if you're thinking its ok to fuck your realm over because the coc says its all right (nothing about stealing raid items if you're loot holder or get the loot in general)?
im just implying that its retarded to use the coc as argument in a discussion as this.

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When have I stolen something?

Cromcruaich said:

Yup great time in agramon on monday.

Synergy blatantly adding as usual, most memorable bit for me was a synergy add while we we're fighting at a milegate, then a mid group (soz cant remember any names) giving synergy some pain back, then the mid group letting us rez our eldie (after a few surrender gestures) and off we went our seperate ways after a bit of a dance.

Really cant be bothered going over old ground with corran. You should be glad the gg's are out of your hair if you have such a beef about it.

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elbeek said:

You ought to take up fictional writing.

We saw you fighting Albs and left you well alone. As we were moving away one of your guys decided to start nuking us.

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orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

Slayn said:

orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

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Slayn said:

orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

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fucking rofl. yeah, the wizard was certainly harmed before he started nuking!

its nice to see synergy actually saying they change the way they used to play months ago, shame they're still a long way off actually doing as they say ;/

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orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

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rofl. So Beeks tell us again in what order did someone get hit?

elbeek said:

When have I stolen something?

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you havnt, but some albs did loot whole ml9, you know what im talking about anyway and if you cant see what i mean, its not my fault you being retarded :/ trying to excuse synergy's play with coc when it blows

Slayn said:

orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

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lol

Bless Synergy. Not often I use this term but ... pwned!

Keep practicing the no-add. Suggest you get a stronger caller.

eggy said:

We don't 'add' on alb fg vs enemy fg fights unless a) our group is attacked, b) if we are asked/if the albs are losing or c) there is confusion as to the nature of the fight; ie if it really is fg v fg.

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yeah ofc nothing wrong with zerging, but atleast be honest lol

From the video, it does indeed look like they 'added', if it was deliberate or not only they will know. However, it is not my intention as a driver to ever 'add' on Alb vs Enemy fights apart from the situations I listed above.

i would like to know why all the useless fucks that camp the 3 main bridges fighting nothing dont all go to agromon and fight each other, surely its better than charging round after a soloer every half hour or so...

eggy said:

From the video, it does indeed look like they 'added', if it was deliberate or not only they will know. However, it is not my intention as a driver to ever 'add' on Alb vs Enemy fights apart from the situations I listed above.

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would it not just be easier to like not add full stop though?

Surely that is like simplicity eggy then you don't get people fooking up?

I remember you from the time you spent in the MH and you were a really decent person in guild chat and your raids were cool (I think its the same bloke). What I can't get is that you don't see the simplicity of this I mean we share the same game and you will happily shaft us if we are playing versus a Mid group?

Can you just tell me why that is the case?

Sharkith said:

would it not just be easier to like not add full stop though?

Surely that is like simplicity eggy then you don't get people fooking up?

I remember you from the time you spent in the MH and you were a really decent person in guild chat and your raids were cool (I think its the same bloke). What I can't get is that you don't see the simplicity of this I mean we share the same game and you will happily shaft us if we are playing versus a Mid group?

Can you just tell me why that is the case?

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As I say, when I am in a group I do not 'add' on enemy vs Alb fights.

I really enjoy hib vs mid vs alb fights, so will continue to attack enemy vs enemy groups, 3 way fights are the most fun.

I don't pay the subs for anyone but myself.

Slayn said:

orly?

http://portti.ath.cx:1340/synergyadd.avi

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hihi, so much for ficition!