Discuss...

[cougar]

quit if you cant handle it.

[Raven]

You simply cant cap everything anymore if you also want to cap your + stats, spd damage etc. imo this is a far better way of doing things rather than making x class getting a standard SC which easily caps everything and then just going out to kill stuff, you have to decide what you want and what you can afford to drop. It gives a lot more variety to the game with master levels and indeed the up coming RA review giving classes that were considered weak a more even chance of enjoying the game as it was intended. sure some of the artifacts are powerfull but i think you will find that they wont be that common due to having to farm the item + farm scrolls then exping the item (some have very strict rules) to level 10 to release the items true power. i actually really enjoy getting artifacts and doing master levels (only at ml1 so far ) rather than zerg mob A for Drop B you have to work together with a proper stratagy to get what you want, which is what pve should be like. Over all i am loving it and i couldnt care less about the people who say its shit but havent even tried it yet, they are the ones missing out.

Toa and frontiers will either kill daoc or help it survive the up coming flood of potential rivals and frankly we have been here before with Planetside (turned out shit) SWG (turned out shit) FF online (turned out shit) Eve (turned out shit) the only real contender daoc has is wow and imo that is a year away yet and wont be really very good content wise for 6 months to a year after that.

[Khefru]

Didn't like the sound of TOA, but bought it anyway and giving it a go.

After a week of it, I cannot stand it. The time needed to get anywhere in ml's or artefacts is too much for the casual gamer I think. I'm hearing stories of huge zergs needed for some encounters and that is bad. How will people like me who do not have endless hours every day do these? Once the initial rush has gone through all the ml's, the slower people will start to get left behind as there simply will not be enough interest to gather these zergs.

Having said all that, I hated DAOC for the first couple of weeks of beta and I'm still there with the same char over 2 years later so TOA may yet grow on me.

The biggest downside for me though is the thought of making a new char now and trying to make it competitive. I really want to move to Mid/Pryd, but levelling to 50, farming cash, doing ml's and trying to get to rr5 is just too much of a daunting task.

[Lothian Forestheart]

I have TOA for a few days now and i must say, i like one part of it, the new graphics are really good (even trolls are looking uglier, if that could be the case ).

But the mls and artifacts, I will try it... but i dont have unlimited time at my disposal.. and at what i have seen it will take me about 6 months to get one char to ML10. So i will stick around for a bit and see where this is leading to.

I think the powergamers will be more uber then they were before.

And rvr is too queit now.. just 3 fgs albs zerging in emain hib...

[TunFiskeMad]

why didnt they just make the ML's so they didnt do anything in RvR ?

And to the ppl saying its the 1337 RvR gaymers who leave the game ....
ofc - u think the pve dude who think random raids and pve stuff is fun is gonna quite because of a pve add on ???

UUhhhhhhhh and btw im not playing anytime soon seriously so can i be called 1337 to then ??? plz i really want to ??? plz plz plz !!!
and to archon if u dont give a shit how come u keep posting ?

oh well have fun ppl cba to buy the think and do the pve - and to all u pve'ing roleplayers out there good m8's hope u get all your 3000000 lvl 50 to ML 10

[Sepiritz]

For those that say ToA sucks and haven't got the game and dont know what its like first hand, i want to specify, theres no way you can compare it to the normal 1-50 grind as far as "more pve" goes.
Every moment of ToA is very involving and fun, imo, its completely different, theres no 'camping' mob spawns for hours (other then finding scrolls, but those can be traded and bought and you will get scrolls while doing the MLs because any way you look at it, you will kill stuff). Artifacts are more like the good old OTD's but also have a scenario, or "encounter" attached to them.

MLs feel so far from the normal daoc quests its on its own level. Alot more thought out and still not becoming too advanced for anyone to do them, atleast if you have access to a guide or someone to ask. Though it really helps to have a guild to do them with, so you dont have to join some clueless random group.

It is true artifacts will become overpowered compared to a normal set of sc'd stuff. However, I seriously doubt a ToA char can beat a normal rr7 char. Sure, some MLs are good but most will never make a big difference. The only exception is probably to stealthers (good riddance) and bodyguards, but that is ML8 on battlemasters and will be a while before we see any number of those in the game, besides, theyre not that different from "guardbots" anyway.

What, in ToA, invites to large scale warfare anyway?
Besides, isnt it the players that decide how the game should be played?
fg vs fg players have always succeeded in finding ways to fight before, why should that change?

Well enough ranting, but imo, ToA rocks! Its a great addition to the game. Except that everyone looks like pretty little seashells after a while...

[Elorelen Hearthunter]

I aint leaving ToA, because it´s really an GOOD expansion...

but... I dont think they should have added those ML XP in it....
Thats one of the msot crappiest thing there is...

Oh and another one... Pls don´t ruin your ToA armor in BG lol (/me points at 5 hippies )