Important - Radar Accusations

[Sendraks]

Any good moderator, anywhere, should take measures to ensure that witch hunts don't take place on the forums they are responsible for.

This is what Flim is doing, it is a shame that so many people do not see the value in this.

Unless they are moderating forums on witch-hunt.com, in which case I expect this kind of thing would be encouraged...or something.

[Nuked]

you make good points, but what exactly does a 3day ban do? (if mythic/goa actually give 1! alot of people do say "xxx uses radar, nerf" ofc ... but at the same time it's upto the reading to decide for themselves, i was crowned Mr GBR 3 years running ... now you decide if what i say is just BS or the truth [lightpr0n]http://boomeh.com/Salty/NukedNaked.JPG[/lightpr0n]

as said above myself i do prefer to see proof before i go listening to the crap people post here (not everything, if someone dings i do tend to believe ) if anyone has something to post here about me i have no problem with that .. i'd be a bit but well, unless they have proof i'm not really that bothered! either way you guys run the boards the way you wish but i think reseting post count only works on loxleyhood, and banning is only useful vs racists/sexists etc etc

Flim isnt doing the wrong thing but at the same time nothing said here should be taken as the words of jesus without proof, shouldnt need to set up a thread ban for this to be realised

[Aloca]

Originally Posted by Flimgoblin

what exactly do you think that naming and shaming someone on FH for suspected radar would achieve?

artifact encounters are different - generally the proof is in the post, the accused talks back and people say "bah you didn't have any right to the artifact in the first place".

The point you say with artifact encounters is exactly the same for Radar accusations. If someone accuse someone of stealing a artifact people always ask for proof, If some proof is given it is up to the accused to give counter proof.
When someone accuse someone else for radaring people does not belive it just becouse he say so. You need solid proof with a video then people MIGHT agree with you they usualy doesnt anyway. Just read any of the radar accusation threads is there any of them that ended with the targeted found guildty by the majority?

If you want to dictate this forum the way you do atm you should atleast be consistant. No accusations of anything bad done in any form can be done.
This include Radar, Stealing, Zerging (this can harm someone's ingame reputation also), and so on.
As you wrote your self you dont want people even to post if they have proof so even if someone have it they should turn to rightnow.

Actualy any post containing ANYTHING at all that is negative in any way with naming any guild or player is harming their reputation. It shouldnt be up to you to decide if the results of the accusations or how serious violation is acceptable. It is the accused.

Now conclusion of this is that the Forums can include topics like following:
Good fight, thx for help, PvE or RvR events. Gratz threads. Off-topic posts, Problems with game. SC templates and help me threads. There isnt much other topics that would pass this very hard dictated forum without accusing anyone of anything.

[Clipse]

yaps My name has been fooked up from FH.

Then again I don't expect you to ban every single Midd/Hibb.

[Nuked]

jesus someone could have atleast told me my post sounded so retarded, i just re-read it for the first time, i know i was tired but that takes the piss

[Flimgoblin]

Originally Posted by Aloca

The point you say with artifact encounters is exactly the same for Radar accusations. If someone accuse someone of stealing a artifact people always ask for proof, If some proof is given it is up to the accused to give counter proof.
When someone accuse someone else for radaring people does not belive it just becouse he say so. You need solid proof with a video then people MIGHT agree with you they usualy doesnt anyway. Just read any of the radar accusation threads is there any of them that ended with the targeted found guildty by the majority?

If you want to dictate this forum the way you do atm you should atleast be consistant. No accusations of anything bad done in any form can be done.
This include Radar, Stealing, Zerging (this can harm someone's ingame reputation also), and so on.
As you wrote your self you dont want people even to post if they have proof so even if someone have it they should turn to rightnow.

Actualy any post containing ANYTHING at all that is negative in any way with naming any guild or player is harming their reputation. It shouldnt be up to you to decide if the results of the accusations or how serious violation is acceptable. It is the accused.

Now conclusion of this is that the Forums can include topics like following:
Good fight, thx for help, PvE or RvR events. Gratz threads. Off-topic posts, Problems with game. SC templates and help me threads. There isnt much other topics that would pass this very hard dictated forum without accusing anyone of anything.

Doesn't take a majority of posters to agree for someone's rep to get damaged unfairly - and the people reading to the end of these 10 page whines aren't the majority of the people reading FH.

And given that artifact stealing (when it's not a breach of the CoC) and zerging are crimes entirely made up by the community so discussing it and "trying" them within the community is perfectly acceptible.

Radar however is a breach of the CoC and should be left to GOA to police.

You can't post "evidence" that you weren't radaring - you can post your side of the story in an artifact-argument.

[Driwen]

Originally Posted by Aloca

The point you say with artifact encounters is exactly the same for Radar accusations. If someone accuse someone of stealing a artifact people always ask for proof, If some proof is given it is up to the accused to give counter proof.
When someone accuse someone else for radaring people does not belive it just becouse he say so. You need solid proof with a video then people MIGHT agree with you they usualy doesnt anyway. Just read any of the radar accusation threads is there any of them that ended with the targeted found guildty by the majority?

uhm people have believed posters who gave no proof, but hinted that they had a movie and would post it later and named a few big guilds. However 15 pages later the movie was still not posted and the thread died off and some little damage to a few guilds name was done.

And as far as I know [guild X] has never had any proof posted against them that they used radar. However everyone did call them [parody of name including the word radar], which was caused because just a lot of people made posts about them using radar.

People tend to think that if there is smoke (someone claiming person x uses radar) than there is a fire. Certainly if the smoke is either big or around for along time(basically if 50 different people claim it, it must be true).
So yes people will believe people cheat, if just enough people or a few respectable persons say that they do.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by Driwen

Last edited by Flimgoblin : Yesterday at 03:29 PM.

[Aloca]

Originally Posted by Nuked

[guild X]

[Marc]

on the subject of artifact stealing, why do some threads get locked within 1 page and others left to go on for 15 pages thus, harming the persons reputation even further. Im asking this here as I pmd a mod and got no reply, nada.

[Tilda]

You didn't PM me.
The answer is simple, mods dont automaticly know if a reputation damaging thread is made. We are not omnipresent, we also have lives off the boards and thus may not see them. However to make our lives slightly easier you can use the report this post button.

Tilda

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Tilda

You didn't PM me.
The answer is simple, mods dont automaticly know if a reputation damaging thread is made. We are not omnipresent, we also have lives off the boards and thus may not see them. However to make our lives slightly easier you can use the report this post button.

Tilda

oh look at that, in my sent box, 11th September 2004, message about Artifact Stealing threads, sent to....Tilda.

So yes, i did PM you.

[Nuked]

all mods seem to think different ways tbh, you'll always likely to piss 1 of them off and get your thread closed even if mod x doesnt mind mod y will!

[Rulke]

Originally Posted by Nuked

all mods seem to think different ways tbh, you'll always likely to piss 1 of them off and get your thread closed even if mod x doesnt mind mod y will!

ah but if you buy the new DVD box set of FH, all the mods have the same voice

[Rulke]

Originally Posted by Rulke

ah but if you buy the new DVD box set of FH, all the mods have the same voice

too subtle?