300 the movie.

[Muylaetrix]

so with all this commotion about the new guild `sparta` owning so much, i would like to ask peoples opinion about the movie 300 :P

imho,

as a historical movie, it has ... serious shortcomings.

as a fantasy movie however, i think it is one of the best movies yet.

some of the scenes i can watch 100 times again...


`it does look like rain`

`zeus stabs the skies with thunderbolts and batters the persian ships with hurricane wind`

`glorious`

10 second scene, but a visual masterpiece that sends the chills through my spine tbh.

[>.< Pooned]

Holywood make jesus crist laughing while he gets crusified what do you really except?

just a movie to make money with few historical facts and much salt on the top. ie. bodybuilding bodies, easy hand cutting, enormous creatures and monsters and the list goes on!

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Muylaetrix

i would like to ask peoples opinion about the movie 300 :P

They took a absolutetly amazing story and managed to turn it into a load trash. The old vesion with Kirk Douglas and co was far better for me. If you get the time read Gates of Fire and you will understand what a shit movie this is.

Propaganda dressed up as history.

[Shagrat]

its based on a comic book for christs sake.

[Keata]

I think from a historical pov its crap.. as a hollywood movie.. its ok, nothing good.. as a hangover movie its fucking brilliant

On a more serious note, i think its pretty sweet mostly becaus i like hack 'n' slash movies.. King Leonidas rox..

"Madness? ... THIS IS SPARTA!"

And the scene where Xerxes offers him peace if he will just kneel to him and he answers that the battle from last night tired his knee so he would have a hard time kneeling

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Shagrat

its based on a comic book for christs sake.

Maybe i am biased, being Iranian. However, suppose a film was made depicting Queen Victoria as a child molesting perv who liked to take it in the ass from a herd of cows and her army were a bunch of homo's that raped, lied and commited acts of paedophilia as a past time while out conquering the world. And that this was some how depicted as been based on true stories, i wonder what the reaction of the British public would be?

[Mckennitt]

Trying to compare British History with Greek one is like comparing a BMW with a motorbike. Tierk <8

In regards of the movie

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Mckennitt

Trying to compare British History with Greek one is like comparing a BMW with a motorbike. Tierk <8

In regards of the movie

I know the comparsion is a bit daft but was trying to think of a decent example that would have some bearing on this forum which is after all a English forum.

No insult intended to either the Greeks or the Brits

[Roo Stercogburn]

As with most Hollywood, you have to take anything the put up on screen with a Siberian salt mine.

Hollywood if you remember is the home town of the people that made U571 about an American submarine <facepalm> rather than British.

There's no point in looking for any real attempt at historical accuracy from the Hollywood gloss vendors. You just have to treat it as popcorn entertainment. If at some point there is a film with real bite and real attention to historical detail its a bonus.

I decided to leave 300 til I could get it on DVD. Its pretty much B or C list for me.

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by tierk

Maybe i am biased, being Iranian. However, suppose a film was made depicting Queen Victoria as a child molesting perv who liked to take it in the ass from a herd of cows and her army were a bunch of homo's that raped, lied and commited acts of paedophilia as a past time while out conquering the world. And that this was some how depicted as been based on true stories, i wonder what the reaction of the British public would be?

The 300 is, as someone else has said, based on a comic book, its not supposed to be accurate.

Either way, the persians were the "bad guys", whether you look at it from the stylised view of frank miller, or from the historical view, that fact remains.

You may not like that, being iranian, however, I dont see how you can make a link from a film that is loosely based on history, to a film like you described.

There are plenty of films that cast the brits as the bad guys. Braveheart anyone?

Was there a public outcry because someone had dipicted the brits as bad guys? was there fuck. and now 1 film. ONE film casts the persians as the zergling fucks that they actually were, and you get people whining about it.

I hate it when political correctness and anti-racism are used as excuses to whine.

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Dukat

There are plenty of films that cast the brits as the bad guys. Braveheart anyone?

Err correct me if i am wrong but pretty much all that you see in braveheart actually happened? They didnt show the English running about with axes for hands and monsters. They didnt dress the English soldiers up as some kind of freak show but in the costumes of the day as well as the Scots.

Calling the Persians "the bad guys" is purely subjective as you could argue that the Spartans were the bad guys considering the way that they lived with slaves and children forced to go and fight and peadohilia and homosexuality being acceptable. If you are so blind that you cannot see why this film would cause offence to people from Iran then you are a blind fool.

Funny how when the film Alexander came out there was no big out cry from Iranians, i wonder why that is? Your comment about "Persians being Zergling fucks" i think says it all really. Your choice of langauge is interesting to say the least and your "hate" of political correctness is probably because you have to dress up what you really feel on issues like racism.

And your liitle rant doesnt take away from the fact that the film is a pile of shit.

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by tierk

Err correct me if i am wrong

Ok

Originally Posted by tierk

Calling the Persians "the bad guys" is purely subjective as you could argue that the Spartans were the bad guys

Wrong.

Calling the persians the "bad guys" is an objective observation formed from looking at the historical facts that remain from the time. Xerxes was invading Greece, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by tierk

peadohilia and homosexuality being acceptable.

First off, proof of the former?

Secondly, what has homosexuality got to do with anything? Alot of europe now views homosexuality as legal/acceptable.

How you can group those two things together as if they were the same, or even similar, and then turn around and insinuate that I am being racist is beyond me tbh.

Originally Posted by tierk

If you are so blind that you cannot see why this film would cause offence to people from Iran then you are a blind fool.

I can see why it might cause slight offense - in the same way as some british people may not have liked braveheart.

However, what you dont seem to beable to see is that either way these are films that are not meant to be taken as fact.

You could argue that braveheart is anti-british, that every world war 2 film is anti-german, that every cold war spy film is anti-russian and that most sci-fi films are xenophobic.

The point is - we English arent campaigning against a film that dipicts us as evil, the iranians are.

We're tolerant, you arent.

Originally Posted by tierk

Funny how when the film Alexander came out there was no big out cry from Iranians

wrong

Originally Posted by tierk

Your comment about "Persians being Zergling fucks" i think says it all really.

You do play DAoC dont you? zergling refers to numbers. Seeing as how xerxes attacked 7000 with over 200,000(atleast), I would've thought that you would have made the connection.

Ofcourse, you could just jump to the conclusion that I'm being *gasp* RACIST.

Oh wait, you already did.

Originally Posted by tierk

Your choice of langauge is interesting to say the least and your "hate" of political correctness is probably because you have to dress up what you really feel on issues like racism.

My hate of political correctness comes from the fact that I am actually normal. PC discriminates against 'normal' English people living in England.

PC is the reason I learnt what racism is before I left primary school. Are kids in iran taught about racism before the age 10 just so they dont accidently insult foreigners? I seriously doubt it.

PC means that every christmas we get a big fucking fiasco where people arent allowed to celebrate what is basically a nationly recognised holiday because it might insult people. Is that fair? is it?

I use curse-words such as 'fuck' and 'fucking' because it helps put emphasis what I am saying.

My country is being turned into a place where the standard white Englishman is fast becoming a second class citizen to immigrants and "ethnic minorities", and yet one film depicts an ancient empire that happens to be the ancestors of modern day iran and suddenly there is anger and campaigning, as if we're being unfair.

Its not "descrimination" to show persia as over the top evil. Its not like Iranians get beaten up in the street because of the scenes shown in the film, its not like most people even really care that iran is modern day persia - its a good film that you can watch without thinking too much. not racism.

Originally Posted by tierk

And your liitle rant doesnt take away from the fact that the film is a pile of shit.

Thats your opinion, I just get tired seeing intolerant islamic nations acting like 5 year olds and crying (or more likely, burning things) every time something happens that they dont like.

If these people wish to be treated as a "developed nation" they'd probably get further if they started acting like one.

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Dukat

Its not "descrimination" to show persia as ........

On your first point you seem to forget that its pretty damn clear that the movie in the sense of general history is accurate. The English did invade Sxcotland and there was a Edward LongShanks. The movie didnt dress neither him nor his queer son up as a some kind of emo tranny look alike. 300 is basically throughtout filled with gross inaccuracies and on many levels.

I point out that Spartan way of life involved keeping slaves, using children in different ways that would today be considered morally repugnant. In addition the fact that homosexuality is acceptable in most European countries today doesnt mean that it was acceptable for those times and to be quite frank a lot of Europe might find it acceptable but a lot of WORLD doesnt. Personally in my view each to there own, for when it comes to sexual preference " one mans meat is another mans.....

I watched Alexander and 300 out of curiousty and after leaving the cinema from watching Alexander i didnt feel a need to come onto forums and defend or attack the film in anyway. 300 on the other hand has.

Look at some of the characters portrayed on the Persian side ffs. You have some fucking troll chained up only be be released to eat people, another guy who has got edward scissor hands syndrome except with axes and sorry the dress code of both the Persian King and his 10,000 Immortals as some kind of Ninja /Taliban types. Yet on the Spartan side you have them all dressed up in the traditional image of a Spartan as depicted in history.

As for your point about campaigning against a movie, i aint campaigning, someone asked a question, on a open forum, for opinions about a movie which i gave.

You shouldnt talk about things you know nothing about as i am sure your knowledge about Iran and Iranians is restricted to the crapolla you are spoon fed by the press. My knowlegde about Britain is based on spending 30+years living and working there. Kids in Iran arent taught about racism in school becuz we dont run about calling black people ******s and Asians, Pakies or Muslims Ragheads. When have you ever in your life talked to a Iranian for you to make claims about insulting foreigners or about anything else to do with Iran?

Your rant about your country being turned into some kind of ethnic ghetto with the English as second class citizens is a sad and true refelction on your mind set and i would suggest that you vote for the BnP as they seem to have the same sentiments that you have.

Who the hell gives a shit what you do at xmas i certainly dont and i dont think anyone else does either. I think you have a lot of issues that you need to work out mate and trust me kicking all the "ethnic minorties" out isnt going to solve them.

The fact is that England needs immigration to continue to function at the current level of developlment. You dont find too many English peole driving buses or working in the council run toilet cuz these are jobs they refuse to do as they consider themselves above them.

Its not discrimantion to show persians as over the top evil, then what do you call it? I wonder what kind of response we would have if we made a film depicting Jews in the same way that this movie shows Iranian history and culture? I wonder what shit you would be talking right now if The Passion of Christ was made showing Jews in the same way that Iranians are shown in this movie? But thats a different matter right?

You get tired of hearing Islamic intolerance well bully for you mate i get tired of listening to constant inuendo and racism from morons with no more brain then a fucking ameoba.

[tierk]

Originally Posted by Dukat

Thats your opinion, I just get tired seeing intolerant islamic nations acting like 5 year olds.

PS. I am not Islamic Nations i am one Iranian expressing my views.

[Dukat]