Whos gonna win 2006 world cup?

[soze]

Originally Posted by Tasslehoff

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

I think his point was that out of his 21? golas over ten were from the spot meaning hes got to be good at it.

[cHodAX]

Originally Posted by Tasslehoff

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

Only 10 goals from open play though, hardly lethal in the box. Henry scored 25 and only a handful of those were penalties, Herny is world class and really can't compare them after just one season.

[[HB]Jpeg]

Originally Posted by cHodAX

ROFLAMO, nice 4 man midfield with 2 right sided players and 2 out'n'out central midfielders. Your team has no balance where it matters most. As for Carragher before Ferdinand or Campbell you must be having a laugh, yes Jamie has had a great Champions League campaign but he does not quite have the quality or concentration levels of those other 2. He is a great backup but I couldn't put him in the top 4 of England central defenders, Campbell/Ferdinand/Terry and Woodgate (when fit) are all more solid and reliable.

and how many left sided midfielders that are world class do england have ? england have played right sided players on left wing a few times iirc.
as for caragher before ferdinand and campbell i stick by that cos i do think caragher is a better defender ,, he has come on loads this season and during the course of next season IMO will no doubt improve even more. i never have rated ferdinand as high as most people do. and i actually think ferdinand is overrated. sol has a strong presence and the experience in defence but personaly (it is a personal opinion) i'd opt for caragher. and i dont think woodgate would make the squad either.. lack of competitive games this season any1? has he actually played in madrids starting line up at all this season ? altho i did forget about SWP so u can replace dyer with him .

i chose beckham for my squad due to his experience and his crossing/free kick ability... yes i know he aint "as good" as he used to be but in huge tournaments like world cup .. exprience >> youth IMO. and becks can still cross/pass a ball as good as he used to and his free kicks are ALWAYS dangerous.

some players have the ability to LIFT the whole team when they play or come on as a sub and a lot of the players in my squad are able to do that (including becks) and owen. and owen imo is still a top class striker.. he hasnt been given much of a chance at madrid .. but when he has came on as a sub he has scored a few and Unless im mistaken was there HIGH SCORER for much of the season ? and thats from being mainly a sub ?

[cHodAX]

Originally Posted by [HB]Jpeg

and how many left sided midfielders that are world class do england have ? england have played right sided players on left wing a few times iirc.
as for caragher before ferdinand and campbell i stick by that cos i do think caragher is a better defender ,, he has come on loads this season and during the course of next season IMO will no doubt improve even more. i never have rated ferdinand as high as most people do. and i actually think ferdinand is overrated. sol has a strong presence and the experience in defence but personaly (it is a personal opinion) i'd opt for caragher. and i dont think woodgate would make the squad either.. lack of competitive games this season any1? has he actually played in madrids starting line up at all this season ? altho i did forget about SWP so u can replace dyer with him .

i chose beckham for my squad due to his experience and his crossing/free kick ability... yes i know he aint "as good" as he used to be but in huge tournaments like world cup .. exprience >> youth IMO. and becks can still cross/pass a ball as good as he used to and his free kicks are ALWAYS dangerous.

some players have the ability to LIFT the whole team when they play or come on as a sub and a lot of the players in my squad are able to do that (including becks) and owen. and owen imo is still a top class striker.. he hasnt been given much of a chance at madrid .. but when he has came on as a sub he has scored a few and Unless im mistaken was there HIGH SCORER for much of the season ? and thats from being mainly a sub ?

First of all this thread is about World Cup 2006, if Woodgate is fit (has been badly injured all season) and getting regular football next season for Real Madrid he will definately be in the squad. As for Caragher, he has had a good season and you are picking him before two guys who have had 5 good years and are proven at international level. You don't rate Rio? How good was that fella for England in Portugal, our best defender by an absolute mile. The we have the midfield, I am not saying we should play someone out of postition on the left because it has NEVER worked for England in a major competition, if you feel otherwise then please give me an example. Beckham, I would also have him in my side, there no better crosser and long range passer of the ball than him in England and the fella always works hard.

Lastly Micheal Owen, personally I think he is a slimy little bastard but there is no doubt he should be in the 22, on current form he doesn't justify an automatic start but he isn't far off, with regular football the guy will always score goals and England don't have another striker who is anywhere near as prolific in top flight football. Defoe? Don't make me laugh, he has had zero exposure European club competitions, he is good enough to be in the 22 but he does not justify a regular start, he needs another couple of years and some Champions League / UEFA cup football before he is anywhere near the finished article. He won't be ready in 2006, with regular football Owen will be.

[Rediknight]

Originally Posted by Tasslehoff

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

[Trallisx]

Originally Posted by Himse

its like Owen Hargreaves is better than Nicky Butt and imo Paul Scholes.

Best quote I've ever read on FH, made me lol irl.

Saying Owen Hargreaves is better than Paul Scholes is like saying a Ford Escort is better than a Ferrari 360 Modena. They are not in the same class and they will never be.

[soze]

Originally Posted by Rediknight

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

There is a massive difference between putting 25 past people in the top division and in the lower leagues, which is why there is a goal modifier of x2 for the premier league so henrys goal tally for the season according to uefa is 50.

[Rediknight]

Originally Posted by soze

There is a massive difference between putting 25 past people in the top division and in the lower leagues, which is why there is a goal modifier of x2 for the premier league so henrys goal tally for the season according to uefa is 50.

I never held faith with that - it's all relative as you go down the league, and stays pretty constant - you're not gonna find a player of Henry's calibre playing in Div 2, otherwise he'd be banging home 50/70 goals a season. All strikers have their equivalent around them and opposing them, so the better the striker, the better the defence and keeper will be that faces him, and vice versa.

Uefa seem to do anything they can to make the best seem better and screw any club that isn't in the top flight...

edit: that said, i hadn't taken into consideration the number of games played in each division too...

[cHodAX]

Originally Posted by Rediknight

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

ROFL, they all play in second rate leagues against 2nd rate defenders. Please do not try to compare world class players with decent professionals, it is like comparing night and day.

[Rediknight]

Originally Posted by cHodAX

ROFL, they all play in second rate leagues against 2nd rate defenders. Please do not try to compare world class players with decent professionals, it is like comparing night and day.

If you have second rate strikers, firing at FIRST rate defenders, then they'll get way less goals. First rate strikers against SECOND rate defenders, they'll pour tons in. First rate strikers against first rate defenders is no different to second rate strikers against second rate defenders!!

Jeez, is it that difficult for you guys to grasp that??? Put Henry in Div 2, he'll score a hundred goals - put Abbott into the Prem, he'll score one or two, if he's lucky. It's a relative scale as you move down the league tables and the goals scored reflect that...

[Himse]

Originally Posted by Trallisx

Best quote I've ever read on FH, made me lol irl.

Saying Owen Hargreaves is better than Paul Scholes is like saying a Ford Escort is better than a Ferrari 360 Modena. They are not in the same class and they will never be.

erm? WATCH HIM PLAY

retard.

get a clue. nuff said.

[soze]

Originally Posted by Rediknight

If you have second rate strikers, firing at FIRST rate defenders, then they'll get way less goals. First rate strikers against SECOND rate defenders, they'll pour tons in. First rate strikers against first rate defenders is no different to second rate strikers against second rate defenders!!

Jeez, is it that difficult for you guys to grasp that??? Put Henry in Div 2, he'll score a hundred goals - put Abbott into the Prem, he'll score one or two, if he's lucky. It's a relative scale as you move down the league tables and the goals scored reflect that...

I do understand what your point is i'm just not sure why you made it.
If you were trying to say there are better english strikers than Henry then second rate striker in second rate leauges vs second rate defenders was not a good example.

[Rediknight]

Originally Posted by soze

I do understand what your point is i'm just not sure why you made it.
If you were trying to say there are better english strikers than Henry then second rate striker in second rate leauges vs second rate defenders was not a good example.

nah, i was trying to point out that although he is a most awesome centre forward, his strike rate isn't actually all that amazing, for the amount of praise he gets. His forethought, his movement off the ball, and sheer pace are what put him into the positions to have a crack, but as finishers go, he isn't the most naturally talented shot placer. Rooney, Bergkamp, Defoe and, to a certain degree, Johnson, have a much finer eye for finishing although they all lack in one or more of the areas Henry excels in.

I was basically trying to point out that a high goal tally can be got at any level, and... y'know what, i can't even remember what my point was now...

*wanders off to roll one and get ready for the 1st test tomorrow*

crickets far more civilised

[soze]

Originally Posted by Rediknight

nah, i was trying to point out that although he is a most awesome centre forward, his strike rate isn't actually all that amazing, for the amount of praise he gets. His forethought, his movement off the ball, and sheer pace are what put him into the positions to have a crack, but as finishers go, he isn't the most naturally talented shot placer. Rooney, Bergkamp, Defoe and, to a certain degree, Johnson, have a much finer eye for finishing although they all lack in one or more of the areas Henry excels in.

I was basically trying to point out that a high goal tally can be got at any level, and... y'know what, i can't even remember what my point was now...

*wanders off to roll one and get ready for the 1st test tomorrow*

crickets far more civilised

lol fair enough and what make Henry special for me is the amout of assists he gets with the amount of goals.

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