[QUESTION] binge britain

[Aoami]

Originally Posted by old.Tohtori

No, they are facts. Why are you so adament in saying i'm wrong?

If you can't be without something, you're addicted.

If you can't stop shooting heroin, you yourself wouldn't say "he just likes it", if the guy said "I'm not addicted, i choose to do so."

Not being able to be without drink, is alcoholism.

Every single person would look at it and go "Yup, that's addiction alright", except for one group...addicts in denial.

Having 1 drink a day is not addiction. If it is, then it's not a problem. It's when you rely on alcohol that it becomes a problem.

[old.Tohtori]

Originally Posted by Aoami

Having 1 drink a day is not addiction. If it is, then it's not a problem. It's when you rely on alcohol that it becomes a problem.

If you can't go a day without, it's addiction.

Christ, people aren't seriously disbuting this?

[Aoami]

Does it matter if it's an addiction? because having 1 drink a day is going to do you no harm at all.

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Originally Posted by Aoami

Does it matter if it's an addiction? because having 1 drink a day is going to do you no harm at all.

That's not the point Toht is trying to make.

[old.Tohtori]

Thanks Ingafgrinn.

The point is; if you can't go a day without a drink, you're addicted.

If you're addicted to alcohol, you're an alcoholic.

No ifs or buts.

Not saying "don't drink every day" or calling tris- an alcoholic, since he's not drinking every day.

[Aoami]

Originally Posted by Ingafgrinn Macabre

That's not the point Toht is trying to make.

No shit.

[tris-]

before you go saying what makes someone an alcoholic, you should read the definition of alcoholic created by EXPERTS in the medical field.
and then read up on the disease of alcoholism.

but even if i did drink everyday, i wouldnt be an alocoholic.
i couild very well say im doing it for health benefits since its proven to do it.
like i can say i drink coffee for the anti oxidents, or eat oranges for vitamin c.

alcoholism involves negative health effects.

if drinking 1 glass of red wine a day is beneficial and not negative, and the same can be said for drinking orange juice; why is the person drinking the red wine suddenly an alcoholic? surely the other person is an orangeaholic then.

as you say though,i must be an alcoholic in denial because i dont agree with your opinnion.

[old.Tohtori]

And i wasn't saying a THING about the benefits or not, i was saying, IF you can't spend a day without a drink, you're addicted.

Are you STILL trying to deny that's true?

And even so...

If i drink a bottle of vodka every day, and have no health effects(doesn't matter how realistic it is), i'm not an alcoholic?

[tris-]

what if someones reason for not going without a red wine is "it is beneficial for my heart so i want to drink it, but i only want the amount thats beneficial and no more". and MEDICALLY they are not adiccted (according to experts), in your opinion are they an addict then?

although if someone said "im not going without red wine because i need it to feel normal" i might agree with you on them having a problem.

[old.Tohtori]

It's not a matter of "i choose to", it's a matter of "can you be without".

If you can't, you're an addict.

You can ask any doctor, any expert, anyone, if you can't go without something, you're addicted.

It has nothing to do with if it's beneficial or not.

[tris-]

Originally Posted by old.Tohtori

It's not a matter of "i choose to", it's a matter of "can you be without".

If you can't, you're an addict.

so choosing to drink for example 2 units everyday isnt an addiction then.
thats what i said earlier.

when i mistakenly said i drink 2 units a day, you said it made me an alcoholic. even though its quite clear i was choosing to do it and not gripped in some terrible vice.

[old.Tohtori]

Originally Posted by tris-

so choosing to drink for example 2 units everyday isnt an addiction then.
thats what i said earlier.

when i mistakenly said i drink 2 units a day, you said it made me an alcoholic. even though its quite clear i was choosing to do it and not gripped in some terrible vice.

Did you really need to run around the bush that long?

Yes, if you can't be without a drink you're an addict. If you can, you're not.

Choosing or not isn't even remotely relevant.

If can, no.
If can't, yes.

And i said "probably addicted, try out and see if you are". Missed that didn't you?

But since you're not drinking, no worries eh?

[tris-]

nope no worries at all. at dinner i opted for orange juice instead of wine, some alcoholic i am.
no i didnt miss that bit.

i said from the start choosing to do something isnt the same as being an addict.

""Oh i don't need a drink, i just have one daily". That's classic addiction talking."

thats what you said, but now it seems youve changed the view if im reading it right.

[old.Tohtori]

I never called you an alcoholic.

Get over yourself, you're not that special.

And stop twisting the point and admit my point didn't have anything wrong about it, you're being a borderline dick about it.

You, at same time, say you don't drink daily, yet use something like "Oh i don't need a drink, i just have one daily". That's classic addiction talking." as something i said about you?

So are you drinking daily or are you taking things personally that aren't about you?

[tris-]

when your posting in my thread (by my, i mean, i started it) and not adressing anyone in particular, and replying to me, it would give the impression youre refering to me.
i reckon thats a reasonable assumption to make.