Where has the spirit of Midgard gone?

[Fana]

Originally Posted by Rulke

I saw it in someone's CM for 50plat

You sure it was only 50p?

[Scorba]

Trade and farming is part of the game. If someone will pay 50 plat lucky them! No doubt they will spend the money on something they need.....

It used to be crafters making fortune charging huge prices cos they could until TG farming gave them some competition so crafting prices came down. Good for all but the greedy crafters...

[Stranger]

Dont start about crafters if u've never been one...
Crafters have much more income hinging rather than making stuff

[Mehuge]

First it was crafters making money off the backs of ordinary folk. Just ask a crafter how much money they made. Ok some of this wealth is from hinging accepted.

Then came focus farming / TG farming / dragon farming making even more money off the backs of ordinary folks. Just ask a TG farmer how much money they made.

Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with making money in these ways.

Now ordinary folk have a chance to make some money off the backs of crafters and tg farmers.

It is simple really. If you dont want to pay the price, then dont. Go and spend the 20 hours or so farming it takes to get that scroll. Those that are loaded (have made money off the backs of ordinary folk) and cba to farm will pay those prices.

In some cases, those rare scrolls are not as rare as you think, you just need to know where to look. Do some research, find out what and where to farm.

[Scorba]

Got interrupted making my post but Mehuge seems to have said most of what I wanted much more coherently.

Ofc Ive got a crafter. Doesn't excuse the money some people used to charge just cos its hard. Recently I sold a scroll which neither the hunters I was with or I needed which will see me almost to LGM in my current craft skill.

Point is the money people get from trade etc is used to make their own and often their m8s and guildies characters better. Ofc that doesnt make camping an arty 24/7 to sell it right but trade in drops and scrolls is fine imo and adds to the game.

Some people have 15 level 50 Moderna alts. They go on a hunt and say 'I have a character who can use that'. is it right that the person with 1 main can't sell something and buy something they need? Who is greedy there?

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Shrek[BC]

Did any1 think about sell/buy is one of part the game ?
And a lot of ppl like that part

It's the fact that what in-game economy there is has been hijacked by greedy little kids who think it's OK to extort huge sums of cash from other players for things they themselves don't even want. Look at some of the prices people ask for items on the Market Explorers...insane, and purely driven by greed on the part of the player demanding the money. If you didn't even want the damn drop, why are you making it so damn hard for another player to get it? Greed, that's why. Pure fucking greed.

And before some idiot jumps in going "oh, 30 plat is nothing, I don't see what all the fuss is about"...shut the fuck up. 30 plat is a colossal sum of money for most players, it is flat out impossible for them to get it. Or perhaps the l337-kiddies (who obviously don't have a job or any other demands on their time) who think 30 plat for ONE TG vest is "reasonable" or 20 plat for ONE TG axe is "reasonable" have their own private DF, open only to them, which they can farm 24/7? To look at the farcical prices demanded, you'd think so.

One very good trend since TOA is it has forced the prices of TG drops (previously obscenely expensive due to the greed of some players) down to a level where a lot more players can get them. More hard slaps in the faces of the little money-grabbers would be a very good thing.

[Rulke]

Can't blame crafters, it's an incredibly tedious and laborious process with no guarantee of success in the case of MP stuff. Most crafters spending the same time it takes to make 1 MP item in DF instead and they could make 5p+. When you buy crafted you're paying for the crafters time as much as the materials.

People farming TG with SMs actually helped drive prices down imo. Imagine if the only TG items in mid were from 50 people or more raids? They'd be uber rare and consequently much more expensive, and there would still be nothing to stop people rolling for things only to sell them. You only have to look how ubiquitous TG weapons are today to see TG farmers had a positive impact. After all not everyone has the tools to farm TG, but everyone can farm DF.

Remember a lot of people use their CMs as a 3rd vault, putting stuff in it they prolly wont need. If no one buys it at least its not cluttering up the vault.. and if someone pays the high price thats good too. I know Ive put a few things in mine at high prices and they've been sold.

A final thought, if you don't like the prices of items on CMs in mid, go try shopping in hib/pryd.... theres nothing on sale there. For example I was watching Exioce's bard there; trying to buy a respec stone - there was 1 RA stone for 7p, no career stones and no single line stones. Personally I'd rather have the high prices in mid if there is availability and at the end of the day it's MY choice whether I buy it or not.

[Fana]

Originally Posted by Mehuge

First it was crafters making money off the backs of ordinary folk. Just ask a crafter how much money they made. Ok some of this wealth is from hinging accepted..

I really doubt many crafters made alot of plat actually crafting weapons/armor etc - do you have what the average retry rate is for mp stuff etc? If you calculate with the cost of average retry on most mp stuff you find for sale you will see that alot of it sells below the cost estimated to make them.
Besides, i personaly have 2 lgm crafters and i have never made *any* profit on them other than hinging.

Originally Posted by Mehuge

Now ordinary folk have a chance to make some money off the backs of crafters and tg farmers..

I doubt any of us have any issues with "ordinary" folk making "some" money off scrolls/items etc, but when some ppl put it in system to methodically camp all rare and desirable artifacts just so they can sell them for 20-60p etc then *that* is what makes some of us annoyed, since buying at those hugely inflated prices if often the only way of getting some artis. Prices that many of us cant afford anyway (as i said i have 2 lgm crafters and i have never had that kind of plat).

Originally Posted by Mehuge

It is simple really. If you dont want to pay the price, then dont. Go and spend the 20 hours or so farming it takes to get that scroll.

Its not so much an issue of scrolls for me - more of artis. And those you cant go and farm yourself when they are constantly beeing farmed by those that want to turn them into profit (SoM anyone?)

[Scorba]

This game rewards those who choose to or have more time to invest. Why flame other players cos they have more time to play than you do?

You can farm 5 plat in an afternoon in DF if you have a bot or a bit less if you go with group. That is a reasonable time frame for almost all players of this game. Ofc you may be like me and can't be bothered with that but money is there if you want to farm it.

Crafters used to charge more than they do now. Presumably the difference was profit? Or did they give it to the starving Mid orphans... No problem with them making money just think they should be included on the Mid Commies hate list

As for the arty farmers, I don't think anyone here is supporting them. The original post was about people selling stuff generally.

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Fana

I doubt any of us have any issues with "ordinary" folk making "some" money off scrolls/items etc, but when some ppl put it in system to methodically camp all rare and desirable artifacts just so they can sell them for 20-60p etc then *that* is what makes some of us annoyed, since buying at those hugely inflated prices if often the only way of getting some artis. Prices that many of us cant afford anyway (as i said i have 2 lfg crafters and i have never had that kind of plat).

Exactly. These artifacts are put in the game for players to use, and now some assholes are going out of their way to interfere with that process just so they can line their own pockets. Don't have the <insert snacky arti here> yet? Go to this spot and...oh, you can't. Someone's farming it. Again.

And those you can't go and farm yourself when they are constantly beeing farmed by those that want to turn them into profit (SoM anyone?)

Yeah, they'll camp it with their bot and then whine and whine and whine when any REAL player (ie not a bot) arrives to get the artifact for themselves. Instead of camping it to farm it to sell it bacause of...oh, there's that word again...greed. Pure greed.

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

Yeah, they'll camp it with their bot and then whine and whine and whine when any REAL player (ie not a bot) arrives to get the artifact for themselves. Instead of camping it to farm it to sell it bacause of...oh, there's that word again...greed. Pure greed.

heh i love these bots they park at arti spawns, if the arti is up and hes the only one there i give em a /rude and pull away..im sorry i dont respect camping rites of 1 bot over my grp..if you wanna bitch about me please do, i dont give a shit..if your genuinely there for the artifact..tough..should actually be there with your main..afterall i was bothered to drag myself and a FG to the spot hoping for a pop...and ive waited 2hrs before with a FG.. and then the bot springs to life to claim he was here first..hmm ok sure.. if im being nice i give em 30s to get his grp here while we buff before i pull, if not... unlucky should be so lazy next time, camp with your grp like normal people do.

[Scorba]

I know its hard being an Alb and can understand why you want to associate with Mids but you do have a board for you and all your Alb friends. This one is meant for people who play on Mid/Excal.

I hope the concept is not to difficult to grasp...

[Emergency Roma]

HHmmm.....

who is to blame more ...the one who sells or the one who buys ?

If nobody bought items for over ( let's say) 1 plat , nobody could set silly
high prices...imo !!
This is an obvious rule

Emer

[Urme the Legend]

Originally Posted by Emergency Roma

HHmmm.....

who is to blame more ...the one who sells or the one who buys ?

If nobody bought items for over ( let's say) 1 plat , nobody could set silly
high prices...imo !!
This is an obvious rule

Emer

Good point imo

[Scorba]

Hmm...sit on a useful scroll that I may need some day for an alt or sell for 1 plat. Less scrolls on the market = less arties activated and hurting Albs. Who wins other than the Albs? Also which of the 37 people offering 1 plat do you sell it to? we can then argue about whats a fair selection system!