DAOC new Server time OLD OF no TOA/DR/LOTM

[Faeldawn]

Originally Posted by GReaper

The min/max attitude will be there from the start, just because it's an old style server doesn't mean hundreds of noobs will be flooding it!

It's a question of if you want to force people to farm drops to maximise their template, or allow them an easier option.

The existing DAoC players will probably demand min/maxing, thats what they are used too. No-one is under any illusion that all the players will be new, quite the opposite in fact. DAoC has next to zero appeal for a new player, thats been the big problem for a long time. So your likely to get nothing but existing players and a few ex-players returning. Any new players that venture in will soon be scared off by the hideously outdated levelling system and the fact that they can never get a group because all anyone will do is PL. When new players ask for groups they get zip, when they realise the only way to level without hours of mindless grinding is to PL, they ask for a PL and get ignored or shot down.

In all honesty i really wonder how many players will have the patience to level a new character and crafters from scratch again, especially with no /level 20.

[Lucius]

The more they "tweak" this server just a little bit the more they will tweak it some more. Eventually we'll get something close to our current "classic" server. Just dump it back to an early patch, change 1 or 2 major things and that's it. Who cares about low levels anyway? You can't change the player's attitudes - no one is going to go out to the frontiers anymore, everyone knows that they should level to 50 beforehand.

[Coldbeard]

Originally Posted by Lucius

The more they "tweak" this server just a little bit the more they will tweak it some more. Eventually we'll get something close to our current "classic" server. Just dump it back to an early patch, change 1 or 2 major things and that's it. Who cares about low levels anyway? You can't change the player's attitudes - no one is going to go out to the frontiers anymore, everyone knows that they should level to 50 beforehand.

I'm getting more and more sceptic to the whole concept when I hear they are tweaking and changing alot of stuff as well. Shame really, because I would really consider playing on a server like initially proposed.

[Drucken]

Originally Posted by Faeldawn

In all honesty i really wonder how many players will have the patience to level a new character and crafters from scratch again, especially with no /level 20.

Well considering everyone will be low level and no one will have a high level character to PL with I'm pretty sure there will be some grouping

I'm joining the thread pretty late but just wanted to add that mid and hib has had somewhat of an advantage since albion has had more classes before catacombs was released. Which meant mid and hib had all their key abilities on fewer classes which helps when trying to get as much variety into a group of 8 players (mezz on a healer for example... don't flame me if that was a bad example, you know what i mean )

I'm pretty curious about this though:

Addition of the Valkyrie class to Midgard. The Valkyrie class, introduced with Catacombs, provides a unique flavor to Midgard without introducing increased challenges to balance. As it is now, it would be considered a powerful class for this server type, but please keep in mind that we are also retuning balance of all three realms across the board (more on this later). With its melee and mending skills, we believe the Valkyrie will round out Midgard’s abilities fairly well by adding a third healer with heavy melee damage potential to the realm. This will balance the healing capacity between all three realms, whereas before Midgard had only two healing classes and the other two realms each had three. Furthermore, this class will complement Midgard’s strong melee capabilities. In hindsight, this would have been a good class to release when we launched the game in 2001. This is why it was chosen.

First of all, valk is like the best solo class ever, with charge, slam, insta interrupts, insta heals, normal heals, 2hand dps. They will have to balance it ALOT for it to fit in. What i really don't get is how they can say the other two realms has 3 healers each... Unless they are going to implement heretics (which they aren't) Alb only has cleric and friar (or am I missing something?).

Midgard should get the savage, and if NF RAs are being used it should get charge, I still don't get how valk (a tank) and vampiir (a stealth class or something. Atleast a class that may have seemed fun but maybe wasn't really thought through and seems to have been developed by an 8-year old) can have charge and savages don't? I mean they're called savage and weild light armor and fist weapons ffs!

[Zedenz]

You're forgetting the mighty Paladins chants!

The savage as it is today (or at least when I last played), might be better than Valk I guess.

I don't see why they're mssing with the classes personally. I mean theurgs were hardly THAT popular in RvR at least as far as I remember. Sure you have some PvE advantage but who the hell cares, everyone is going to get 50 eventually and I doubt we're going to have a server full of Thuergs!

Z.

[Gahn]

Originally Posted by Zedenz

You're forgetting the mighty Paladins chants!

The savage as it is today (or at least when I last played), might be better than Valk I guess.

I don't see why they're mssing with the classes personally. I mean theurgs were hardly THAT popular in RvR at least as far as I remember. Sure you have some PvE advantage but who the hell cares, everyone is going to get 50 eventually and I doubt we're going to have a server full of Thuergs!

Z.

They remove the class cause it's the only pet spammer available without SI classes. That's the explanation as far as we can tell.

[Zedenz]

Yah. Still doesn't make sense to me though, I mean Midgard never got a pet spamming class we just had to make do and always did. I remember running a regular ML10 farm in Mid, and you had 40 people turn up minimum or it didn't happen. Then Puppet at the time making a wtfpwn fg Hib ML10 farm video to show me "how its done Hib style!" As I said though, it was expected, sure you get some whine about imbalance but people get around it.

Animst I can see being problematic, just because of relic/keep defences etc, but with no SI classes it won't matter anyway.

We'll see what happens anyway but they look hell bent on removing it.

[Gahn]

Originally Posted by Zedenz

Yah. Still doesn't make sense to me though, I mean Midgard never got a pet spamming class we just had to make do and always did.

We'll see what happens anyway but they look hell bent on removing it.

Actually they gave Valks a sort of pet spamming with that Crow ability later on or not?
That was PvE wise ofc.

[Zedenz]

Originally Posted by Gahn

Actually they gave Valks a sort of pet spamming with that Crow ability later on or not?
That was PvE wise ofc.

Ah well I may of missed that!

I do remember them adding those abilities to Thanes to increase the hit bonus on epic mobs.

[Gahn]

Originally Posted by Zedenz

Ah well I may of missed that!

I do remember them adding those abilities to Thanes to increase the hit bonus on epic mobs.

Yeah it maybe was Thanes who had it

[Jarakin]

p0x has twisted my arm and I finally gave in, I shall be returning to DAoC for this server. Currently gathering interest from oldies on Prydwen (from all realms) and also from our WAR guild, Merely Mortal. We've got a good 10-11 people interested so far.

I think we will be rolling Hib, but this will be up for discussion closer to the server release. Can't wait tbh, really looking forward to it!

[Zedenz]

Originally Posted by Gahn

Yeah it maybe was Thanes who had it

Yeh come to think of it, it was given to Thanes and Valks. Still as you said, thats just PvE though!

Be interesting to see how many people roll Thanes too!

[Tuorin]

The best thing they could do for a server like this is allow people to copy characters there but I think they've ruled that out? Shame, would be great to go back to the point of toa with your chars of that time and even some of your old opponents as well as new ones. Something simple, so you can just step into the game every so often and just rvr on a active, competitive server. Daoc should really have catered for this some time ago.

Alas!

[Jarakin]

Originally Posted by Tuorin

The best thing they could do for a server like this is allow people to copy characters there but I think they've ruled that out? Shame, would be great to go back to the point of toa with your chars of that time and even some of your old opponents as well as new ones. Something simple, so you can just step into the game every so often and just rvr on a active, competitive server. Daoc should really have catered for this some time ago.

Alas!

Tuo!!!! I've been looking for you for ages mate, I think I have you added to MSN, but never see you on... if you use it, pop me your address!!

[BloodOmen]

i'm still going to try the server I think it will turn out shit tho.. my reasons as to why follows:



1. They're listening to feedback from people who started playing the game when TOA came out more than PURE old school people that have been here since the start.

2. They're trying to over complicate the server when a simple design would have worked perfectly fine.

3. Farting around with classes way to much when they should be concentrating on other things.

4. Leaving CAPS/cast speed/spell damage/melee damage etc IN the game (Was told this by a mythic employee that was in my guild on Gaheris, don't know if its 100% true although it sounds about right)

5. Overall theres nothing 'Classic/Orgins' like on this server apart from OLD emain (which i'm also told is getting changed abit.)


So in short its just a "Classic(glastonbury etc)" server without CL's/DR/CATAS etc, it sounds utterly bollocks if all of the above is 100% true. So claps to mythic for attempting to ruin DAOC.... AGAIN.