Reavers - Time to tell Mythic what you want!

[acei]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Reaver_Forum...5/69441453/?24

Topic: Clarifacation on WP/DT and Leviathan's Proc

Official word: At the moment, those aren't working correctly and it's bugged.

Basically, the proc is NOT supposed to crit. Sorry guys, but I think a few of us saw it coming.

That was a post made by the reaver TL leader...

In New Frontiers reavers receive Wild Power and Duel threat, both of these RA's are designed to increase spell crit's (duel threat also increases melee crit's), the recent changes on new frontiers means the only spells that are crit'able are the instant-lifetap, instant-DoT, wrack and our weapon proc's. Dragonpup (the reaver TL leader) has basically told Mythic that weapon proc's crit'ing is a mistake and should be fixed. This is a serious mistake.

In New Frontiers Avoidance of Magic will be one of the most used passive RA abilities because the cost is the same as determination and they both have almost the same effect on crowd control (they both lower crowd control duration) but on top of lowering the effect of crowd control it also lowers spell/proc damage. If reavers damage is not boosted by counter RA's (such as wild power/duel threat) effecting leviathan proc's then we will soon be seeing leviathan do 50-70damage... this is wrong and if these changes are put into effect and our counter-RA's that allow us to critical on proc's (which are in essence counted as spells) are removed then Leviathan/Cobra/Indigio Snake will become the worst styles ingame and the reaver class will be useless.

If you agree on the points i have made i urge you to backup my opinions on VNBoards and make it clear to the reaver TL and to Mythic that we want all of our proc's to crit with duel threat and wild power.

Edit: This is also a problem for Valewalkers i hope to see their support on VNBoards as well please.

[Draylor]

Obviously it was a bug that these procs were allowed to crit. Even the most optimistic of reavers should've realised that.

10/10 for exaggerating - fixing this bug will not make Leviathan the worst style in the game. Itll still be among the very best.

[Leleith]

Originally Posted by acei

Edit: This is also a problem for Valewalkers i hope to see their support on VNBoards as well please.

Glad you added that, or you would have had me flaming your ass off

[acei]

Originally Posted by Draylor

Obviously it was a bug that these procs were allowed to crit. Even the most optimistic of reavers should've realised that.

10/10 for exaggerating - fixing this bug will not make Leviathan the worst style in the game. Itll still be among the very best.

Doing 50-70 damage on a rear positional that is meant to do 300-400 is a huge nerf. That is what NF will bring when people start reliasing AoM is one of the best RA's to possess in NF.

[Vindicator]

Originally Posted by acei

this is wrong and if these changes are put into effect and our counter-RA's that allow us to critical on proc's (which are in essence counted as spells) are removed then Leviathan/Cobra/Indigio Snake will become the worst styles ingame and the reaver class will be useless.

hahahhahahah

Sorry Acei but wtf ?

No they will still be excellent Moves, probably will still be some of the best styles in the game and perhaps this is a way of bringing Reavers a little more into line because if Reavers had Det they would be overpowered and in NF they will have it .

lol a style that is supposed to do 300-400 damage ? Im quite happy to hit 400 damage with my Rear move with my Polearm which is a 2h weapon with a big slow ass delay and you want to do your 300-400 damage every 1.5-3secs no doubt ^^ ?

Sorry but no. I think a Reaver that doesnt want there Class nerfed in a few weeks / months after NF offical release will be happy with this, your class will still be very viable and perhaps your damage wont be so insane now while still leaving your class unique and special etc.

[Draylor]

You give levi damage as being "300-400". Capped resists + capped resist buffs give a total of 50% resists: reducing this to 150-200.

AoM5 in NF (28%) would reduce this to 108-144 as a worst case. AoM5 will cost 34 RA points: not something many people will be able to afford to spend on 1 ability.

Like I said: your figures of 50-70 damage from Levi are just over exaggreated crap. Even adding the effect of Empty Mind 3 (a further 30 points) onto the numbers above wouldnt get the damage that low.

[Kreig]

Originally Posted by Vindicator

lol a style that is supposed to do 300-400 damage ? Im quite happy to hit 400 damage with my Rear move with my Polearm which is a 2h weapon with a big slow ass delay and you want to do your 300-400 damage every 1.5-3secs no doubt ^^ ?

Have had 800 hits regularly on my Reaver when i played him (this was post SC also), whois in hybination atm. Only problem when det became a requirement for grps kinda killed off friars/reavers/champs/valewalkers/Thanes?.

So NF will be very refreshing for RvR imo as it will bring a lot of classes and many many more viable grp set-ups back into the active RvR system, instead of the stale situation atm.

[Kalid]

So in 1 swing you want to be able to both crit on procc and weapon dmg?
Sounds fair? Not in my eyes LOL!

[PJS]

Originally Posted by acei

then Leviathan/Cobra/Indigio Snake will become the worst styles ingame and the reaver class will be useless.

yeah right ........................ NOT!

[Skilgannon]

Originally Posted by Vindicator

hahahhahahah


lol a style that is supposed to do 300-400 damage ? Im quite happy to hit 400 damage with my Rear move with my Polearm which is a 2h weapon with a big slow ass delay and you want to do your 300-400 damage every 1.5-3secs no doubt ^^ ?

Well, a point here is that Reavers get several decent styles, all of which are positional/reactionary and of which the best rely on a magic componant to do damage.

Flex Reavers do not have an Amethyst Slash or a positional stun, and neither do VW. If the decent styles go then I would expect a revamp of the anytime and the addition of a positional stun. Having said that, I don't think Reavers have too many problems and just need to rethink playstyle.

I saw this coming and respecced 50SR several weeks ago. It doesn't really bother me when solo (90% of my RvR atm) as I was finding slam was being purged alot. Basically stealthers wouldn't go near unless purge was up.

Since respeccing out of slam most of my solo fights have been face to face slugfests and I generally hit unstyled whilst twisting auras. Not lost a 1 vs 1 melee fight yet. My only problem comes when I get kited, but I am working on that Crits on debuffs with WA rock and I feel Reavers damage in NF is going to come from the SR line. All Magic damage is gonna take a hit so Reavers aren't alone. Reavers forte I believe will come in debuffing for the train whilst using the nerfed positionals.

Solo then Reavers will be stronger than ever.

[Tuppe]

zerks behind 3chains last style has proc, and dont critting.
zerk is allso positional fighter? atleast so mythic tell us.

if mythic allow reavers levi crit? why not let zerks aurora borealis proc allso crit and allways critting when vendo mode?

levi is huge and nice style what hybrid have, whit changes what inc in frontiers? its obvious reaver is near or allready? overpowered.

this "whine" allso include vw if valewalkers styles really crit?.

[Vindicator]

Originally Posted by Skilgannon

Flex Reavers do not have an Amethyst Slash or a positional stun, and neither do VW. If the decent styles go then I would expect a revamp of the anytime and the addition of a positional stun. Having said that, I don't think Reavers have too many problems and just need to rethink playstyle.

VW's have a Side 5s stun which is an anytime to a decent Tank.

They also have a Rear 8s stun <omg that is soooo sweet>

They also have an insta snare to stop supp running so they can catch to do there side / rear stun ^^

Reavers have a Ranged Move from how far ? 300-500 range ? They is like a form of PF < Although No where neaaaaaaaar as good ofc but its free >

The most damaging proc a reaver has is in his 3rd move parry chain right ?

2h Flail Reavers with 50 parry would be fun .

I really dont think This will effect decent Reavers at all tbh and asking for anything more isnt fair to the rest of albions tanks as it would leave them being unferior to the reaver in everyway.

Blocking Reaver > pally
Damage Reaver > arms or Merc
Interupts Reaver > all xD

[Kreig]

Originally Posted by Skilgannon

I saw this coming and respecced 50SR several weeks ago. It doesn't really bother me when solo (90% of my RvR atm) as I was finding slam was being purged alot. Basically stealthers wouldn't go near unless purge was up.

Since respeccing out of slam most of my solo fights have been face to face slugfests and I generally hit unstyled whilst twisting auras. Not lost a 1 vs 1 melee fight yet. My only problem comes when I get kited, but I am working on that Crits on debuffs with WA rock and I feel Reavers damage in NF is going to come from the SR line. All Magic damage is gonna take a hit so Reavers aren't alone. Reavers forte I believe will come in debuffing for the train whilst using the nerfed positionals.

They will need to reduce the power cost firstly as atm 50SR eats alot of power, ive always had 50 flex/50 SR spec never have any problems 1 on 1 really, but power is always an issue. Also as most of the styles are positional or reactionary it leaves very little choice other than to swing unstyled or just end up Spaming python which as u will know kains end and makes u ooe very quickly.

[yaruar]

My thane cries for you.......
Really...
Althoough as a fellow hybrid I know what it feels like to be left out of strong groups, but at least you have a style which can do decent damage. I'm lucky if I hit for 100 maximum one handed these days. That's when i hit anyway.

[Kreig]

Originally Posted by yaruar

My thane cries for you.......
Really...
Althoough as a fellow hybrid I know what it feels like to be left out of strong groups, but at least you have a style which can do decent damage. I'm lucky if I hit for 100 maximum one handed these days. That's when i hit anyway.

Hopefully we will see the return of thanes to RvR with the addition of Det to them, not sure what kind of role or spec they would take/need. Perhaps in the assist train speced 48 SC 50 Sword (530 left) or mayb replace the warrior block bot speced somit like 50 sheild 34 Sword 46 SC 7 Parry.

Dunno the viabilty of any of those specs but at least with Det in on hybrids we can move away from the cookie cutter grps a bit more.