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Old 6th October 2008, 09:10 AM
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Old 6th October 2008, 10:38 AM
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What about that big fucking trail on the "speedster" bird? It's blur on the camera that would do that, people running don't leave some freaky matter suspended in mid-air behind them ffs! The first episode is full of shitty n00b mistakes. Looks like the slating they got over series 2 being "too slow" has made them react badly as well...
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FFS its a super power, just accept that's how it works! If the power had worked like you had said, would the story actually be more believable? If you are going to find flaws do it in one of the many plot holes and don't try and replace one impossible thing with another!
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I'm not looking for "flaws". Certainly enjoyed every moment of the first series. It's just when writers do something so obviously retarded they break my suspension of disbelief.

Even my girlfriend, who wants to like Heroes so much it's almost like Heroes' Worship, let out a pfffft! when they did that.

It was shit. Tho just watched Ep.2 & 3 with her though and they're not as rammed and looking up a little...
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Perhaps Hiro has the ability to see where things have moved in time and space...and is therefore able to follow an object that has moved.

Do you know his full powers?
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Old 6th October 2008, 03:41 PM
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Perhaps Hiro has the ability to see where things have moved in time and space...and is therefore able to follow an object that has moved.

Do you know his full powers?
I'm not willing to make shit up. They're storytellers so when it comes to stuff other than plot point stuff that's best left unsaid, what's happening on screen should be explainable.

It was there to 'look cool' and nothing more, but was a feature, rather than incidental. That's why it was shit.

I will, of course, eat my own shit if they explain this later in the series
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Old 7th October 2008, 09:06 AM
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Why does everything have to be explained?
If that was the case they would run out of money very quickly!
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Not everything does (as I said in my post). In this case I think it was a special effect just for the sake of having a special effect.

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IMHO, Heroes is about a group of characters that have superhuman powers but generally on-screen they loosely obey the laws of physics. (Peter can fly, but then things can fly, hiro can travel through time, but all he actually does is disappear, flames/electricity can fly through the air etc.).

When hiro slowed time down all that should have been seen of that speedy girl was a slow version of her - not some massive non-existant con-trail. It was enough of a faux pas that three people that I know all went "hold on a sec" when that happened.

I remember a documentary which explained really well that writers of such material establish their own set of "rules" early on - and once the viewer has learned those rules it allows the writers to do outrageous stuff (within them) without breaking the viewer's suspension of disbelief.

They broke mine, and others, suspension of disbelief...
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Maybe she occupied all space in her path simultaneously so it wasn't a trail but her. Her interpretation was that she was moving fast but thats not necessarily the case.

Hiro who freezes time can see the instance of occupied space as she warps herself from A->B

Essentially what Scouse said.

Anyway free your mind and stop over-analyzing this nonsense
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Not everything does (as I said in my post). In this case I think it was a special effect just for the sake of having a special effect.

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IMHO, Heroes is about a group of characters that have superhuman powers but generally on-screen they loosely obey the laws of physics. (Peter can fly, but then things can fly, hiro can travel through time, but all he actually does is disappear, flames/electricity can fly through the air etc.).

When hiro slowed time down all that should have been seen of that speedy girl was a slow version of her - not some massive non-existant con-trail. It was enough of a faux pas that three people that I know all went "hold on a sec" when that happened.

I remember a documentary which explained really well that writers of such material establish their own set of "rules" early on - and once the viewer has learned those rules it allows the writers to do outrageous stuff (within them) without breaking the viewer's suspension of disbelief.

They broke mine, and others, suspension of disbelief...
I liked the special effect. It worked for me...
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Your over analising something trivial like that but not questioning someone who can stop time or shoot electricity from their hands? its all far fetched thats what makes it great.

Go watch the discovery channel if you want real life accuracy. And whatever you do DONT watch The Mighty Boosh. That will kill your brain
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Your over analising something trivial like that but not questioning someone who can stop time or shoot electricity from their hands? its all far fetched thats what makes it great.
I'm not over-analysing. I made the point that, compared to previous seasons, the first episode's writing seems a bit weak - and illustrated exactly why using a single example. If over-analysing is a basic discussion of the reasons behind my thinking then I'm guilty.


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Go watch the discovery channel if you want real life accuracy. And whatever you do DONT watch The Mighty Boosh. That will kill your brain
I'd pick you up on two things there: 1) NEVER go to the discovery channel if you want real-life accuracy and 2) Boosh are great - been to see 'em many times. But I wouldn't say there was ever the potential they could kill brains - it's not as much hard-to-get intellectual humour as lighthearted surrealism
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I reckon eels up inside ya could cause some serious problems to be honest

EDIT: I know so many people who really didnt get the point of the Boosh. When you explain there isnt any real point it confuses them even more
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It seems like they've hired the entire writing staff from Smallville for this season. It's absolutely atrocious.
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smallville. LOL.

Meh, I quite enjoy it so far. I do think the pace is too fast and the revelations are a bit "smallville", but it is still fun. Wait to see where they go with the story arc, then lets judge more.
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