Warriors & Talents

[Big_Boss]

Lo all i started few weeks ago and lovin it. decided 2 make a human warrior alliance. I kinda confused on what i should spec my talents in. I'll be groupin alot of the time with rl m8s who are hunter,paly,druid and mage. I wanna be main damage dealer (usin LW axe) in grp but i wanna be able 2 protect the druid or mage. if any 1 can suggest a good solid talent tree that i could follow would appreciate it. Thx and hope 2 cya one day in game.

[Gray]

I use the Fury Tree, all my Talents but one are in that tree, and ive maxxed out the top 3/4 i think...

Seem to do well, although my damage isnt all that great for a Dual Wielder (Level 30 doing about 70/40 damage) altho i have my eye on a nice two handed Axe i might go get...

[Ormorof]

check this thread for a ncie discussion

http://forums.freddyshouse.com/showt...t=56669&page=1

[Cozak]

If you want to be the main damage dealer in the group dont roll a warrior

[Ctuchik]

Originally Posted by Big_Boss

Lo all i started few weeks ago and lovin it. decided 2 make a human warrior alliance. I kinda confused on what i should spec my talents in. I'll be groupin alot of the time with rl m8s who are hunter,paly,druid and mage. I wanna be main damage dealer (usin LW axe) in grp but i wanna be able 2 protect the druid or mage. if any 1 can suggest a good solid talent tree that i could follow would appreciate it. Thx and hope 2 cya one day in game.

u can not and SHOULD NOT be the main damage dealer as a warrior in WoW. what you ARE is the meat shield and main aggro holder and nothing else. atleast when it comes to pve. and theres not so many things u can do to keep ur team mates protected in pve other then HOLD AGGRO! and do NOT use a 2 hander for that. the priest will hate u for it in the end because of too much downtime(you take a HOLE lot more damage when trying to dish out the leet damage as a warrior with a 2 hander/2 1 handers while u also have main aggro.) shield and 1 hander is the way to go. i'd say go for a solid PVE build until ur 60 and then respec to whatever u want.


P.S, speaking from a priests POV here. I HATE WARRIORS WHO THINK THEY ARE ROGUES!

if u want to be the main damage dealer roll a Rogue or a Mage. NOT a warrior.


sorry for the rant. just came from Scarlet monastery where i had to keep 2 warriors alive that refused to use a shield just coz they thought they were damage dealing classes. ended up with me not healing them.......

[Big_Boss]

ok thx for advice

[Nala]

End game warriors (the ones that aren't the MT) do just fine as huge dmg dealers. Don't give bad/misleading advice. ;x

[Garok]

Originally Posted by Nala

End game warriors (the ones that aren't the MT) do just fine as huge dmg dealers. Don't give bad/misleading advice. ;x

Damage is too sparadic to be considered a hudge damage dealer. Damage relies to heavly on Crits for damage and with good gear (slow 2h wep/Good Critstrike Items) Axe spec etc your Crit chance will be between 20-25% or 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 swings. Damage when you crit is good but over all DPS is below most other classes.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Garok

Damage is too sparadic to be considered a hudge damage dealer. Damage relies to heavly on Crits for damage and with good gear (slow 2h wep/Good Critstrike Items) Axe spec etc your Crit chance will be between 20-25% or 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 swings. Damage when you crit is good but over all DPS is below most other classes.

The crit chance in "good gear" is over 30%. Overall DPS is right up there with the rogues. For example, Ascent (guild on Medivh/US) posted the damage stats of the first worldwide Ragnaros kill, and the rogues and warriors were competing for top positions.

That's single target damage. Add the fact that warriors can do AoE damage (whirlwind/cleave/sweeping strikes) and they're up high on the DPS stats.

Now, that aside, you'll often have to put aside your damage dealing desires when a group needs it. Some instances you should be using shield most of the time - some are a mix of damage and tanking. To be a good warrior, you have to know what you should be doing in any given situation.

I'm a 31 Arms/20 Fury warrior. I carry around two sets of gear - PvP/DPS gear with high crit chance, and tanking gear. Groups that invite me usually invite me again the next time. There's a lot of bad warriors out there - it doesn't take much to be recognized as a good one.

[Sparrow]

As for going for a so-called "PvE build" (aka the "we think this makes you a good tank" build) it'll seriously gimp your soloing abilities with not much gain - the Protection talents are 1) Not very good 2) Not needed.

The talents in Protection that actually have a use are all low in the tree and no use until high level - Defiance, Toughness, Anticipation, Imp Shield Block, Last Stand. Imp Shield Wall helps - a little. Shield Discipline is good used right though.

Note: I've been full Protection spec.

[Garok]

I would imagin the reason though that warriors and rogues were top for damage is that unlike mages hunters warlocks etc they dont rely on mana for damage.

Agree with you on Prot spec though some nice stuff in there but to many wasted points to get it.

Think the problem though is to many people role a warrior of being a damage class then turn up for instance groups with out a shield sit in Zerk stance etc.
(or so ive been told).How to play a warrior deffinsively is something you have to learn, rather than doing damage which is more spec and equipment.

[Sparrow]

Exactly. Being a good warrior is being able to fill in either rule - dps or tanking - regardless of spec - and more importantly, knowing when to.

[Nala]

All I was saying is don't turn people away from the class saying "they are crap dps" when it's so untrue. I do realise they can't always perform the role of dps, but in PvP, and a large % of PvE (any time when they're not main tank in an instance group, or doing an elite/hard quest, prolly) they can churn out impressive dps.

[mts]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

The crit chance in "good gear" is over 30%. Overall DPS is right up there with the rogues. For example, Ascent (guild on Medivh/US) posted the damage stats of the first worldwide Ragnaros kill, and the rogues and warriors were competing for top positions.

That's single target damage. Add the fact that warriors can do AoE damage (whirlwind/cleave/sweeping strikes) and they're up high on the DPS stats.

Now, that aside, you'll often have to put aside your damage dealing desires when a group needs it. Some instances you should be using shield most of the time - some are a mix of damage and tanking. To be a good warrior, you have to know what you should be doing in any given situation.

I'm a 31 Arms/20 Fury warrior. I carry around two sets of gear - PvP/DPS gear with high crit chance, and tanking gear. Groups that invite me usually invite me again the next time. There's a lot of bad warriors out there - it doesn't take much to be recognized as a good one.

this man speaks the truth

[AhoyHoy]

Originally Posted by Nala

End game warriors (the ones that aren't the MT) do just fine as huge dmg dealers. Don't give bad/misleading advice. ;x

Word.